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shira

(30,109 posts)
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 07:51 AM Mar 2016

EXCLUSIVE: Outrage as EU claims diplomatic immunity after using OUR aid money to 'meddle...

EXCLUSIVE: Outrage as EU claims diplomatic immunity after using OUR aid money to 'meddle in the Middle East' by building on disputed West Bank land


The EU is claiming diplomatic immunity after using taxpayers' money to build unauthorised settlements and roads on Israeli parts of the West Bank, MailOnline can reveal.

An Israeli NGO launched legal action after photographing EU flags flying above buildings on land placed under Israeli jurisdiction by the Oslo Accords, to which the EU is a signatory. EU bureaucrats are avoiding court by citing diplomatic rules.

The buildings, which are given to Palestinians, are intended to 'pave the way' for more land to be brought under Palestinian control, according to official EU papers. Many are bulldozed by Israel only for the EU to repeatedly rebuild them, generating more costs for the taxpayer.

Leaked documents obtained by MailOnline show that the EU – which receives £350million per week from Britain – is using diplomatic rules to place officials above the law, foiling attempts to hold bureaucrats accountable.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3480561/Outrage-EU-claims-diplomatic-immunity-using-aid-money-meddle-Middle-East-building-disputed-West-Bank-land.html#ixzz42yXpRzzf
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EXCLUSIVE: Outrage as EU claims diplomatic immunity after using OUR aid money to 'meddle... (Original Post) shira Mar 2016 OP
An Informed Electorate 4Q2u2 Mar 2016 #1
The EU is completely in the right here yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #3
BDS is a bigoted antisemitic movement King_David Mar 2016 #4
!!!!!! grossproffit Mar 2016 #8
LOL - good luck with that leftynyc Mar 2016 #24
Context:The UK's EU referendum: All you need to know azurnoir Mar 2016 #5
Again with the faulty analysis King_David Mar 2016 #6
What did you expect? FBaggins Mar 2016 #7
Lol I've never claimed that Democratic who you seem to think equates to liberals when many are azurnoir Mar 2016 #9
You can't spin the fact the EU is deliberately violating Oslo, which they signed onto. shira Mar 2016 #12
How Oslo only gave Israel very temporary ruling over area C not sovereignty azurnoir Mar 2016 #13
Oslo is still in play. Palestinian security, PA rule... shira Mar 2016 #15
Again with your nonsense... King_David Mar 2016 #14
show us where I've denied that? You can right link it up, right? please entire comment azurnoir Mar 2016 #16
Good to see you accept reality, King_David Mar 2016 #19
53% of Dems and 79% of Republicans support Israel , Does that embarrass you? azurnoir Mar 2016 #20
Majority of Democrats support Israel King_David Mar 2016 #23
Thanks for posting that poll again leftynyc Mar 2016 #25
Faulty how it's a UK paper, claiming the EU is wasting UK taxpayers money at a time when the UK is azurnoir Mar 2016 #10
Doesn't take away from fact EU is deliberately violating Oslo Accords they signed onto. shira Mar 2016 #11
Repeating yourself? and no the EU is not violating Oslo show us where Oslo says the EU azurnoir Mar 2016 #17
Show you what? Did you read the article. It's clear as day. You're also repeating yourself.... shira Mar 2016 #18
The article is a plea for the UK to leave the EU using Israel/Palestine as a vehicle to that end azurnoir Mar 2016 #21
How can this right-wing racist drivel be published by a respectable newspaper like the Daily Mail? Little Tich Mar 2016 #22
 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
1. An Informed Electorate
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 08:04 AM
Mar 2016

is an angry electorate. An ignorant populace is a blissful one. Why tell anyone that you are ignoring International Law and Treaties with their money when "you know in your heart that you are doing the right thing."

Israel BAD
Palestinians never BAD

See how easy life is.

Now please pipe down, we here at DU are much toooooooooooo busy slinging shit at each other for a real discussion of hard topics.



yourpaljoey

(2,166 posts)
2. The EU is completely in the right here
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 08:40 AM
Mar 2016

The world is
finally coming alive.
Why is the EU
siding with Palestine?

Why is BDS catching on
around the world.
(Sure we have had our set backs but
we are determined to make it count...
and it is.)
People are waking up.

The next step is to cut all military aid.

Response to yourpaljoey (Reply #2)

King_David

(14,851 posts)
4. BDS is a bigoted antisemitic movement
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:57 AM
Mar 2016

And has no support among any Democratic Party candidates and not the majority of Democrats and nor any Democrats in congress.

Are you sure you support the Democratic Party? Because sure as hell the Democratic Party does not support the bigoted Jew hating and often homophobic BDS movement.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=125462

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
24. LOL - good luck with that
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:07 PM
Mar 2016

The VAST majority of Americans don't give a shit about a people who continually vote in thoroughly corrupt leaders and terrorists. You'll never get the Americans to cut military aid as long as those "leaders" call for Israeli and Jewish blood. BDS is nothing but anti semitic bullshit and Americans aren't fooled by them for one minute.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. Context:The UK's EU referendum: All you need to know
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:33 AM
Mar 2016
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887

the UK is having a referendum on whether or not it should remain part of the EU , it is based in part on xenophobia and strongly being advanced by rightists in the UK , this is an attempt to use a situation that has existed for years to work up outrage

King_David

(14,851 posts)
6. Again with the faulty analysis
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:11 PM
Mar 2016

This IP debate is very complex... Basic faulty analysis you've been providing with basement variety debate and "debunking " is not easy for most people's...
This IP debate is not for beginners...

FBaggins

(27,441 posts)
7. What did you expect?
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:30 PM
Mar 2016

After months of spinning the same poll over and over by claiming that it doesn't matter that liberals overwhelmingly support Israel over the Palestinians because conservative support is even more overwhelming, and therefore support for Israel is really a conservative position... you expected something more than "it doesn't matter that this OP discusses something that is factually accurate, because it comes from a source in a country that is potentially uninterested in remaining in a union with other countries and I think that's the conservatives too!"

???

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
9. Lol I've never claimed that Democratic who you seem to think equates to liberals when many are
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 03:12 PM
Mar 2016

centrists support/sympathy for Israel doesn't matter, what I've pointed out is the fact that as the poll itself reveals Republicans support Israel at a higher rate like 53% D to 79% R. Any other claim about what I've said is spin, for what reason I'll leave to others to imagine



 

shira

(30,109 posts)
12. You can't spin the fact the EU is deliberately violating Oslo, which they signed onto.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 04:19 PM
Mar 2016

In fact, what they're doing is a colonial endeavor.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
13. How Oslo only gave Israel very temporary ruling over area C not sovereignty
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 04:28 PM
Mar 2016

it was to be for 5 years, that 22 years ago

King_David

(14,851 posts)
14. Again with your nonsense...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 04:50 PM
Mar 2016

LOL

Everyone else besides you seems capable of reading polls...

And that poll shows that way more than double the amount of democrats support Israel over the Palestinians than those that support Palestinians over Israel - a measly 23%.

And that only 23% of Democrats support Palestinians....

Got it ?

Understanding IP is not for beginners.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
19. Good to see you accept reality,
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 08:40 PM
Mar 2016

Majority of Democrats support Israel
Tiny minority of Democrats support Palestinians over Israel
BDS organization is bigoted and not the values of our party.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
23. Majority of Democrats support Israel
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:49 AM
Mar 2016

And that numbers growing.

A tiny minority of Democrats support the Palestinians over Israel a teeny tiny 23% and that number is not moving at all.

BDS bigotry Antisemitism or antiZionism and often homophobia is probably not supported by Demorats at all ( except for 15-20 or so on this DU) but is supported by extremists on the Left as well as extremists on the Right.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
25. Thanks for posting that poll again
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:10 PM
Mar 2016

Showing how the VAST majority of Americans sympathize with Israel having to deal with thoroughly corrupt or terrorist leaders of the Palestinians. And once again showing the pathetically small percentage that don't.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
10. Faulty how it's a UK paper, claiming the EU is wasting UK taxpayers money at a time when the UK is
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

about to have a referendum on whether or not the UK remains part of the EU

oh and about debunking do you mean this ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134125965#post29

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
11. Doesn't take away from fact EU is deliberately violating Oslo Accords they signed onto.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 04:18 PM
Mar 2016

That's EU colonialism BTW.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
17. Repeating yourself? and no the EU is not violating Oslo show us where Oslo says the EU
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 05:40 PM
Mar 2016

can not build for the Palestinians in the West Bank-BTW Israel's rule over Area C was only to be for 5 years according to Oslo

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
18. Show you what? Did you read the article. It's clear as day. You're also repeating yourself....
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 08:02 PM
Mar 2016

Oslo is still binding.

Otherwise the PA gets dismantled & doesn't get paid anymore. The PA no longer rules anything at all in the W.Bank. All security operations (along with economic and civil ties) with Israel end. Israel could take over the entire W.Bank if Oslo expired. This would've all happened just 5 years after the Oslo Accords were signed.

I expect you won't repeat that silliness again.

Besides, if you think you're right then point me to a legit article, not a blog post, that argues Oslo expired after 5 years and is non-binding for both sides. Show proof. Any proof.

Pretty please?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
21. The article is a plea for the UK to leave the EU using Israel/Palestine as a vehicle to that end
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:25 PM
Mar 2016

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
22. How can this right-wing racist drivel be published by a respectable newspaper like the Daily Mail?
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:47 PM
Mar 2016

Israel is trying to expel Palestinians living in Area C, which is against international law. The EU is just trying to give Palestinians already living in these areas access to basic necessities, like water, electricity and a roof over their heads. Israel is explicitly denying these people access to basic necessities, even though Israel has full civilian jurisdiction over Area C, and is responsible for all civilians there, not only Israelis. According to John Kerry, Israel awarded only a single building permit for Palestinians living in Area C in 2014. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank_Areas_in_the_Oslo_II_Accord) There are around 300.000 Palestinians living in Area C. What the EU is doing isn't remotely illegal, it's humanitarian aid.

Israel clamping down on ‘illegal’ EU building in West Bank
Source: Times of Israel, February 4, 2016
(snip)

Asserting that Area C is “part of the occupied Palestinian territory and part of any viable future Palestinian state,” the EU Mission in Israel said the union had stepped in on humanitarian grounds because of Israel’s failure to approve more than a handful of master plans that would allow the Palestinians to build themselves.

All EU activity in the West Bank was “fully in line with international humanitarian law” and formed part of efforts to promote economic development and improve the quality of life of Palestinian communities in Area C in the private sector, the environment and agriculture,” said the statement.

The EU worked with the Palestinian Authority “to develop Area C and support the Palestinian presence there” and consulted with the Israeli authorities “where necessary,” the statement added.

Israel has overall security and administrative responsibility in Area C, the EU Mission went on, but international law also obliges it to protect and facilitate development for the local population and to grant unimpeded access for humanitarian assistance.

Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-clamping-down-on-illegal-eu-building-in-west-bank/


Regavim is a right-wing extremist organization that tries to evict non-Jews living in areas considered to be Jewish in both Israel and the occupied territories:

Regavim
Source: Wikipedia
Regavim ( רגבים ) is an Israeli NGO that describes its mission as “to ensure responsible, legal, accountable & environmentally friendly use of Israel’s national lands and the return of the rule of law to all areas and aspects of the land and its preservation”. According to Nicola Perugini and others, the word 'land' here refers to 'Jewish national land,' and by that term Regavim understands the entirety of Israel and the Palestinian territories it occupies, in which Palestinian habitation is considered an illegal takeover.


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(snip)
Regavim argues that the Jewish people are 'being robbed of the Land of Israel . .ever so quietly without the roar of battle and the clamor of war' Regavim appears to mirror the practices of human rights organizations like Yesh Din, which appeal to the courts on half on Palestinian communities, with the difference that for Regavim, all of Israel and the Palestinian territories is 'national land' and Palestinian habitation is an "illegal overtaking" of that land, it systematically inverts the terms of human rights language, by designating Jewish settlements as legal, and Palestinians under the Israeli occupation as "trespassers" engaged in illegal occupation, settlement, and outpost construction. By using a network of settlers to scout, photograph and report on Palestinian construction, it monitors and then reports on constructions by Palestinians that lack full Israeli legal permits, and prosecutes cases of such construction through the judicial system.


Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regavim_(NGO)
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