Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumTrump wins over AIPAC audience with strong pro-Israel stance
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.710188'President Obama is the worst thing to happen to Israel,' Trump says to massive applause at AIPAC gathering, vowing to pressure Palestinians to accept Israel as Jewish state and Jerusalem as its capital.
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Trump delivered broadsides against his likely rival in the general election, Hillary Clinton, calling her a total disaster and blaming her for last years Iran nuclear deal. The line earned laughter and applause, although Clintons speech, earlier in the day, was well received.
Trumps biggest applause line was when he began a sentence, President Obama, in his final year yay!
Useful reminder that AIPAC is part of the Dick Cheney wing of American politics.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I didn't come here tonight to pander to you about Israel
Seeking to calm worries about his scant foreign policy credentials, Republican presidential front runner Donald Trump used his turn before the United States largest pro-Israel group to offer his view for the Middle East. He did himself few favors, often appearing to contradict himself and at times sounding just like the politicians he lambastes.
Trump earned a muted response from the bipartisan audience at the annual confab of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. He delivered a carefully prepared speech off a teleprompter, breaking with a past promise to never use the devices. After opening with a pledge not to pander to the crowd, Trump did just that, dramatically altering his tone and policy toward Israel from what he has been espousing on the campaign trail.
http://time.com/4267086/donald-trump-aipac-speech-israel/
Reminder, AIPAC is comprised of people from across the American political spectrum.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)AIPAC is comprised of rightwing war-mongering assholes from across the political spectrum.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Trump is right wing, these Democratic Party supporting Jews are not !
These Jews...
They want lower taxes for the rich?
Do not believe in LGBTQ rights?
Want smaller government?
Anti Union?
Anti Abortion?
They wanna cut welfare ?
HUH ??
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They support Israel, and war, only.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Meanwhile Democrats support of Israel is more than double that of Democrats support of Palestinians ( a measly 23%)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They are a foul right wing organization comprised of rightwing war mongers and racists. It is to their utter disgrace that so-called liberals pander to these Dick Cheneyesque shitheels.
Supporting Israel is a rightwing cause. And the love the AIPACers had for a fascist piece of slime like Trunp--and the hate they have for President Obama--makes complete sense.
King_David
(14,851 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Donald Trump is more popular with the Israel Lobby than Barack Obama is. Nuff said.
King_David
(14,851 posts)There was a protest and walkout by Jewish leaders at the AIPAC fest when Trump spoke.
Here is Oberliners post, best you read before repeating for hat nonsense....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=126312
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Trump talks about Muslims the way AIPACers talk about Palestinians. It's a good fit.
That, and they share a war with Iran and a diplomatically isolated US as goals.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Your talk on Israel seems far worse to me than anything I have ever heard us American Jews from AIPAC say about Palestinians- ever.... And completely out of sync with any Democratic Party leader .
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)http://www.aipac.org/-/media/publications/policy-and-politics/aipac-periodicals/sermon-tidbits/2015/sermontidbitsvaerafinal.ashx
http://www.aipac.org/~/media/Publications/Policy%20and%20Politics/AIPAC%20Periodicals/Sermon%20Tidbits/2015/SermonTidbitsToldot5776a.pdf
http://www.aipac.org/-/media/publications/policy-and-politics/aipac-periodicals/sermon-tidbits/2013/11/vayeishev5774.ashx
King_David
(14,851 posts)And women rights and treatment in the Palestinian statelets such as Gaza?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Or even acknowledges the basic humanity of Palestinians.
The AIPAC crowd threw a major hissy fit when Obama had the audacity to talk about the suffering of Palestinian children.
King_David
(14,851 posts)That us diametrically opposite of Democratic Party principle on Israel.
Sure you can support anyone in this party including Obama who says absolutely nothing similar to the visceral hate you display toward Israel, here in DU?
It sure isn't Democratic Party principle- at all.
shira
(30,109 posts)And by a mile.
In comparison to the anti-Israel movement, AIPAC is extremely liberal.
The anti-Israel movement largely consists of leftwing fascists, neo-nazis, white supremacists, and holocaust deniers who support terror.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That speaker also received a standing ovation.
AIPAC has members who are conservative Republicans and members who are liberal Democrats and everything in between.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they do not share our values
King_David
(14,851 posts)Your "values "on Israel are not shared by the Democratic Party....
Who are you referring to as when you say "our values "?
shira
(30,109 posts)They nearly all consist of either Leftwing Fascists, Holocaust Deniers, White Supremacists or neo-Nazis who support terrorism against Jews.
And they couldn't give a shit about Palestinian Human rights.
I can't think of a Western movement more vile and disgusting than the anti-Israel one.
It's hardly debatable.
PATRICK
(12,239 posts)So between the Haaretz and Time Inc. portrayal what ACTUALLY happened and does it really matter so long as AIPAC chooses not to destroy either one? The contradictions seem to point easily to source prejudice.
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