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Related: About this forumHarvard Law Student Asks Israeli Official Why She’s ‘So Smelly’
"On Thursday, April 14, at an event hosted by the Program on Negotiation at Harvard Law School, Tzipi Livni, a former Israeli minister and member of the Knesset, spoke to roughly 150 students and faculty members. During the Q & A portion at the end of the presentation, a Harvard Law School Student directed an ad hominem attack on the Israeli guest:
My question is for Tzipi Livnihow is it that you are so smelly? The student, a male third-year who is also the president of a student organization on campus, added, Its regarding your odorabout the odor of Tzipi Livni, very smelly."
http://observer.com/2016/04/harvard-law-student-asks-israeli-official-why-shes-so-smelly/
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Husam El-Coolaq is the student who made the blatantly anti-semitic remark.
shira
(30,109 posts)But typical.
BDS is a Jew hating movement. Always has been...
King_David
(14,851 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)"Incident " by the BDS movement.
This BDS hater hopefully will be expelled.... His chance at becoming a lawyer should be terminated....nothing else is acceptable.
but so far Harvard seems intent on protecting him for some reason.
aranthus
(3,386 posts)It's just butt covering. He apologizes to those who "felt offended", not for what he said, which was rude, offensive and inappropriate even if he had no antisemitic intent. And I love the part where he says that Jews who disagree with him still know that he's a nice guy. Bull. Nice guys don't call foreign leaders smelly even if they don't mean to call them a smelly Jew.
shira
(30,109 posts)....for oppressing a good BDS hole like this bigot.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I hope they're thinking of expelling him for the embarrassment alone. This is the kind of crap Jewish students in college are dealing with every single fucking day.
shira
(30,109 posts)Probably began right after the incident last week.
I'm wondering why Harvard wanted this censored for several days.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Wishing all my fellow Jews a very Happy Passover. It's going to be a weekend of family and food.
shira
(30,109 posts)Ready for the brisket and matzah ball soup?
Soul food time!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)neither my mom (tonight) or my sister (tomorrow) is making brisket? Salmon/Roast Chicken tonight, Salmon/Fillet of Beef tomorrow. But both will have plenty of Knaidel!! I don't normally keep kosher but I do it during Pesach, in honor of the grandmothers who smile down from heaven.
shira
(30,109 posts)Got the potato kugel, tzimmes, apple-walnut charoset, and fresh baked matza too.
I was on the fence about making potato latkes before deciding not to. Maybe for later with some knishes, we'll see.
Making a more healthy sauteed rice, spinach, and onion dish instead.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)We have someone with a walnut allergy so we make our charoset with pistachios - it's divine. Mom is making latkes, sister making kugel. If you have a good recipe for knishes, I'd love it (not for Passover but any other time) - I would make 1/2 potato and half kasha.
shira
(30,109 posts)Gee, I wonder why.
Attempt to Conceal his Past
Following an anti-Semitic incident on April 14, 2016, details of El-Qoulaqs identity and his affiliations with different anti-Israel organizations began disappearing.
According to Angel.co, he was listed as having been an employee at Morgan Lewis Law Firm, the American Civil Liberties Union and Harvard Law Schools Cyberlaw Clinic. By April 21, 2016 the listing had been removed.
El-Qoulaq was also listed as a member of the Harvard Arab Student Association until April of 2016. On April 21, 2016, El-Qoulaqs name was removed from the groups website.
El-Qoulaq is an organizer for Harvard Law School Justice for Palestine (JFP), an affiliate of Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP). He was also a member of SJP at UC Berkeley (SJP Berkeley).
He was listed as an organizer of an October 20, 2015 JFP event titled, The Palestine Exception to Free Speech. The Facebook event was removed and reinstated on April 21, 2016 without El-Qoulaqs name on the page.
He organized a JFP event scheduled for April 20, 2016 titled: Using Water As A Weapon: How Israel Uses Water to Oppress Palestinians. At some time on April 21, 2016 the name of the event organizer was changed from El-Qoulaq to Student Orgs Events.
Anti-Semitic Hate Speech
At an April 14, 2016 Harvard panel discussion on Israeli-Palestinian negotiations hosted by the Program on Negotiation at Harvard Law School and co-sponsored by the Jewish Law Students Association and Harvard Hillel El-Qoulaq was recorded heckling Jewish-Israeli politician Tzipi Livni during the question and answer session.
How is it that you are so smelly? El-Qoulaq demanded. When his question went unanswered, El-Qoulaq doubled down, insisting: [a] question about the odor of Ms. Tzipi Livni, shes very smelly, and I was just wondering.
The event was widely reported on by eye-witnesses present at the panel discussion. Harvard Law then went to lengths to conceal El-Qoulaqs identity and their published video of the panel was edited to exclude El-Qoulaqs question.
On April 18, 2016, three members of the Harvard Jewish Law Students Association demanded a public apology to Ms. Livni, the Jewish students of HLS, and Harvard Law School at large and observed in response to El-Qoulaqs question:
A quick Internet search will show that the stereotype of the Jew as smelly or dirty has been around since at least the 1800s. The Nazis promoted the idea that Jews smell to propagandize Jews as an inferior people. The idea that Jews can be identified by a malodor is patently offensive and stereotypes Jews as an other which incites further acts of discrimination. The fact that such a hate-filled and outdated stereotype reemerged at Harvard Law School is nothing short of revolting.
The following day, Martha Minow, Dean of Harvard Law School, sent an e-mail to the Harvard Law community denouncing El-Qoulaqs question, writing: The comment was offensive and it violated the trust and respect we expect in our community. Many perceive it as anti-Semitic, and no one would see it as appropriate. It was an embarrassment to this institution and an assault upon the values we seek to uphold.
By April 20, 2016, news of El-Qoulaqs abusive comment had spread across social media, prompting comment from celebrities like Roseanne Barr.
On April 21, an opinion piece on the incedent published in the Harvard Law Record was updated to contain what was titled an apology from El-Qoulaq, identified only as the individual who made the comment. The text of the update stated that he never intended to perpetuate an anti-Semitic stereotype and was entirely unaware that such a stereotype existed. He encouraged members of the Jewish community who were hurt by his question to reach out and to give him an oppurtunity to make it right.
However, details of the El-Qoulaqs identity were not provided in order for individuals to be able to reach out to him.
Championing Anti-Israel Activity
On October 20, 2015, El-Qoulaq organized a JFP event called The Palestine Exception to Free Speech.
The event was slated to challenge to the longstanding orthodoxy in the United States that excuses, justifies, and otherwise supports discriminatory Israeli government policies and to discuss what was described as heavy-handed tactics purportedly used against the anti-Israel lobby.
Disseminating a Libel
El-Qoulaq organized a JFP event scheduled for April 20, 2016 titled: Using Water As A Weapon: How Israel Uses Water to Oppress Palestinians. On April 21, 2016, the event organizer was changed from El-Qoulaq to Student Orgs Events.
The event promoted the libel that Israel denies Palestinians water rights negotiated under the Oslo Accords. This falsehood has long been used as a weapon to attack Israel.
Defending Speech Disruptors
In October 2011, El-Qoulaq demonstrated in support of UC Irvine students dubbed the Irvine 11, who were arrested for repeatedly disrupting former Israeli ambassador Michael Orens talk at the university on February 8, 2010.
El-Qoulaq branded the arrests of those who attempted to silence Michael Oren a concentrated effort to quell the Palestinian narrative.
SJP
SJP was co-founded by Hatem Bazian and Snehal Shingavi in 2001 at UC Berkeley. Their intention was to advance the radical anti-Israel mission of the Muslim Brotherhood, but masked as a secular organization.
SJP members frequently intimidate and harass Jews and pro-Israel students. SJP Members have physically assaulted Jewish students, vandalized communal property and violently disrupted pro Israel speakers and events. SJP-run rallies regularly include hate-speech and chants such as From the River to the Sea Palestine will be Free a call for the destruction of the Jewish State.
SJP runs inflammatory campaigns against Israel including Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) resolutions, Israel-Apartheid initiatives, drives comparing Israel to Nazi Germany, mock check-points, die-ins, as well as rallies and protests.
SJP chapters regularly host speakers who use language considered anti-Semitic by the U.S. State Department. Chapter events routinely include individuals and organizations linked to terrorist activity and call for violence against Jews.
When confronted, SJP demonizes and defames critics, branding attacks against them as Islamophobic a term popularized by co-founder Hatem Bazian.
SJP, is rapidly creating a hostile and unsafe environment on U.S. campuses. For this reason, they have been labeled by some as Hamas on Campus.
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leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I hope all this publicity makes him hide his head in shame. I know it will further diminish the effects of the repulsive bds movement.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Making a blacklist of political opponents is a decidedly undemocratic way to try to stifle political debate. What this guy did was extremely rude, but he didn't try to destroy any foundations of democracy. The Canary Mission is a hate-site that tries to intimidate and incite against political opponents, and it's completely outside the democratic political spectrum. I know you've been fawning over the Canary Mission before, and I'm still just as opposed to its use as I was then.
There's no coincidence that this guy is on the Canary mission list - they've probably stalked him for a long time.
Anyway, here's an article from the Forward about the Canary Mission:
Shadowy Web Site Creates Blacklist of Pro-Palestinian Activists
Source: The Forward, May 27, 2015
It is your duty to ensure that todays radicals are not tomorrows employees, a female narrator intones in a slick video posted to the websites YouTube account.
Called Canary Mission, the site has posted profiles of dozens of students and recent graduates, alongside those of well-known activists like Omar Barghouti, founder of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement. Some of the students are active in Students for Justice in Palestine; others were involved in recent pro-BDS resolutions at campuses in California. Many of them have relatively thin activist résumés.
The focus on young people and students is an effort to try to tell people that there will be a price for you taking a political position, said Ali Abunimah, founder of the pro-Palestinian website The Electronic Intifada. Its an effort to punish and deter people from standing up for what they believe.
Read more: http://forward.com/news/308902/shadowy-web-site-creates-black-list-of-pro-palestinian-activists/
King_David
(14,851 posts)a bigoted , hateful slur - " smelly Jew"... It's easy to diminish the hate....if oneself is not the target of this bigotry.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)and organized political activity that is aimed at intimidation and sidestepping the democratic discourse. It's like the difference between being Tom Metzger (OK) and doing what Tom Metzger does (not OK). And with OK, I'm not implying support or sympathy for Tom Metzger in any way.
If someone was compiling a Jew list, I would be against that too, much more so, for obvious reasons. The Canary Mission is doing some really nasty shit that shouldn't be supported by anyone. History is full of examples of what happens to people on these lists.
My opposition to the Canary Mission doesn't mean that I think that calling Tzipi Livni "smelly" was OK. That was a really bad thing to say, and I hope that people will explain that to him.
shira
(30,109 posts)He'd have nothing to be ashamed of for his "humane" pro-Palestinian advocacy, right?
That asshole knows what he's written about Jews and now he's ashamed.
He should be ashamed.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)The information you've provided so far only indicates that he's being stalked by the Canary Mission and that perhaps he should call the police.
Response to Little Tich (Reply #30)
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shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:21 AM - Edit history (1)
I'd have no such problem with a list of young adult neo-nazis and KKK'ers, would you?
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)A while back in Sweden, a list of some 5000 members of the extreme right wing party "The Swedish Democrats" was leaked, which caused problems for the people on the list. I'm totally opposed to stunts like that because intimidation shouldn't be part of the democratic discourse, ever. People should have an unhindered right to their political opinion, and I want to be able to oppose these opinions on their own merits and not by intimidating the people having them.
Sweden Democrat members exposed in leak
Source: The Local Sweden, 21 Sep 2010
"It is an old database... which the attacker presumably got hold of in the weekend's hacker attack. We have filed a police report," SD press spokesperson Erik Almqvist told the Dagens Nyheter (DN) daily.
But according to several Swedish bloggers rumours began circulating in the weeks running up to Sunday's general election that the Sweden Democrats' member list had been obtained by hackers back in April.
Either way the list was published on Monday and is presented as a search engine enabling visitors to the site to "Get to know your local Sweden Democrats" and "Find a friend near you" with the possibility to search according to town, street address or telephone number.
According to Almqvist the information has not been actively collected by the party, but has been filed by the applicants themselves.
Read more: http://www.thelocal.se/20100921/29146
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:02 AM - Edit history (4)
Maybe you'd understand better if you were the one under attack by those animals.
I'm all for exposing Nazis, KKK'ers, Gay bashers, etc. Just as I support exposing rapists and child molesters. They're in the same boat IMO.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)However, with some your examples of people that should be listed I think your view may reflect the majority view. I still think that any form of listing of people is wrong - democracy is better without it.
shira
(30,109 posts)Easy access to those who want to know how close these predators live to them.
You're against that?
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Providing that kind of information to the public serves no purpose whatsoever. That's however a subject that is outside of the scope of this OP.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)From Wikipedia:
(snip)
The site is also notorious for its "Self-Hating and/or Israel-Threatening" LIST, known as the "S.H.I.T. List." (From time to time, the S.H.I.T. List has been renamed. For a while it was the "Dense anti-Israel Repugnant Traitors" LIST, or "D.I.R.T. List." Then it became the "Self-Hating and/or Intentionally Israel-Threatening Ediots LIST" or "S.H.I.I.T.E. List." More than 7,000 names long, the list consists of Jews whose opinions fall to the left of those of Masada2000's creators. The site described its targets as "radical, leftist, academic, socialist, 'progressive,' enlightened know-nothings [who] are not even worthy of the name 'Jew.'" People on the list are often described using profanities, vulgar insults, racial epithets, and portrayed with photographs of animals. In some cases, their email addresses, telephone numbers, home addresses, and other private contact information are included as well.
Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada2000
Note: Fortunately, it seems as if the www.masada2000 website is down. But the question remains - it this the kind of thing you support?
I don't.
shira
(30,109 posts)....serves a completely different purpose (FBI sexual offender registry) than a list of people targeted for just being born the way they are.
Parents who have little kids just might want to be aware of neighbors with a history of abusing children. Of course if you don't have children, you probably don't understand. Maybe you don't care.
I'm all for that WRT known rapists, neo-nazis, KKK'ers and active BDS racists.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:18 AM - Edit history (1)
What's the difference between one website that lists pro-Palestinian activists and another website that lists pro-Palestinian activists? For me, Masada2000 and the Canary Mission are doing the exactly same thing.
I don't get it.
shira
(30,109 posts)It's all fair game.
Nothing that Canary Mission publicized would be deemed inappropriate in any newspaper article.
Seems you're the one against freedom of expression here.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Could you please provide an example, or perhaps I could just go to Stormfront to see what you mean?
shira
(30,109 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I can't google better than you...
6chars
(3,967 posts)Canary is simply collating data. If someone on the list feels that being known as who they are will hurt their career, that is not Canary's fault.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)data' from public pronouncements and activity.
Do you think such a list would be OK too?
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I don't know about the anti-Semitic part, but calling someone smelly is very rude under any circumstances.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Wow.
shira
(30,109 posts)Even better, that we're just a religion and not a people/nation.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)This guy doesn't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer, so unless there's a pattern, I don't know if this was more than just a normal insult. Maybe he was just stupid.
Response to Little Tich (Reply #29)
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Little Tich
(6,171 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)A Palestinian official is speaking to Harvard Law School about the same topic. She is a Muslim Arab woman.
A law student who is a prominent member of an on campus pro-Israel advocacy group gets up the microphone to ask her a question. He is white and Jewish.
The white Jewish pro-Israel student activist asks the Muslim Arab Palestinian woman why she is so smelly.
When confusion is expressed regarding the question, the student repeats it again, more explicitly explaining that he is asking why this Palestinian Arab Muslim woman has such a foul odor.
After word of this incident becomes known, the Jewish student tries to hide his identity and removes his name from several on-campus pro-Israel event pages, takes down his Linkedn account and social media presence. Articles make a point of not identifying the name of the student.
How do you think a source like Mondoweiss might approach the above described scenario?
shira
(30,109 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)know it was an anti-Palestinian trope.
If you believe that jumping to unsupported conclusions is wrong when it comes to calling Palestinians smelly, why don't you think that jumping to unsupported conclusions is wrong when it comes to calling Jews smelly?
Israeli
(4,306 posts).....probably along the lines of .........' Geez , I cant win ,
here I am So Smelly and back home they want to kill me '........
ref : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4446353,00.html