Europe's open immigration policy is going to be the death of Europe as a free and open place to be and live. It's just a matter of time. Hearts in the right place, brains up their ass.

I suppose it reflects the strong and uncompromising attitudes of those who believe that Zionism is necessary. Zionism as a form of defence against anti-Semitism.

I not to keen on Zionism, and I firmly believe that democracy is the better way to eradicate anti-Semitism. And when it comes to Jews in Scandinavian countries, it's their countries too, they belong there. They should never have to feel it's time to leave.

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It's only getting worse there.

Ergo, Zionism.

Your theory goes *poof* as your "better way" just leads to more Jews getting killed.

That's unacceptable.

But the Antisemitism there makes it unlivable and so thankfully there's a place for them to go. Because your fantasy land where Jews should never feel they don't have to leave doesn't exist ,in some countries.

It's not only anti-Semitism, but right-wing ideologies and racism in general as well. For me it's also a personal matter, as I have to live in the middle of all this. Things have changed, and not in a good way.

I don't really have a ready answer on how to solve this.

The worsening situation is largely a phenomenon arising from left-wing circles and the increasing Arab/Muslim immigrant population. The issues with Labour and Corbyn are just a small symptom of a much large European problem, and hardly its worst manifestation.

In fact, in some areas and groups, the non-neo-Nazi right (a rapidly expanding segment) has become far more sympathetic to both Israel and Jews in response to the problems and concerns of Muslim fundamentalist terrorism and lack of assimilation by related immigrant and religious populations, often including even second and third generation families. Politics and personal safety often make strange bedfellows.

You might wish or hope Zionism wasn't necessary in your perfect world, but reality, both historically and today, more than amply proves Jews are not safe, nor held to the same standards as everyone else.

Reading many of your posts often feels like you believe Israelis, and sometime Jews generally, should act completely opposite to their clear interests, often to the point of near or actual suicide, just so you and others can feel good about themselves.

Don't forget that "Never Again" is more than catchy or casual political slogan among Jews for a myriad of important reasons.

Some nationalist parties are more or less supportive of Israel, but that's more because they support Israel as country for the Jews and a bulwark against Muslims. Jews are still considered a foreign element, and should leave Europe alone. Many nationalists consider themselves to be great humanists, and the most humane thing to do with the Jews is to make sure they can leave and live in their own country.

Do you honestly think that the nationalist right-wing parties only have a problem with Muslims, and that Jews are somehow exempt from their hatred of all things foreign?

I was only making some observations about how politics sometimes creates unusual allies.

However, and far more importantly, it's undeniable that a large and ever increasing amount of antisemitism originates from the left for a multitude of reasons, none of them reasonable or excusable. Complaining about the right doesn't change this fact or excuse the antisemitism of those with whom you might otherwise share political positions.