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leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:06 AM May 2016

Analysis: Hamas under pressure as Israel makes progress on tunnels

For the first time since the August 2014 cease-fire came into effect ending Operation Protective Edge, Hamas launched cross-border mortar attacks throughout Wednesday.

Hamas is targeting IDF units engaged in hi-tech tunnel detection work on the border between Israel and northern Gaza. It is escalating the situation due its fear that it is about to lose its trump card.

Hamas has invested much treasure and blood in its cross-border tunnel network, and its military wing is alarmed by what it perceives as one Israeli breakthrough after another in tunnel detection.



http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Analysis-Hamas-under-pressure-as-Israel-makes-progress-on-tunnels-453113


I found this particularly interesting:

Although Hamas is keen on honing its rocket, drone and sea-based attack capabilities, its tunnel construction program remain its crown jewel.

No talk about hospitals, housing, schools - nothing that would actually help the people they were elected to help. Just weapons and tunnels. It's time for the world to think about what they're financing and for those idiotic bds-ers to see what they're supporting.

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Analysis: Hamas under pressure as Israel makes progress on tunnels (Original Post) leftynyc May 2016 OP
Who would have thought that when a terror... iandhr May 2016 #1
And yet Israel gets crap leftynyc May 2016 #2
After the tunnels are destroyed, we'll learn that the tunnel system included FBaggins May 2016 #3
Undoubtedly true leftynyc May 2016 #4
Headlines state Israel broke ceasefire, not Hamas for firing first. shira May 2016 #5
I wish I could say leftynyc May 2016 #6
And some people are calling for Israel to end the blockade... King_David May 2016 #7
The tunnels and the rockets are the least of Israel's problems with Gaza. Little Tich May 2016 #8
That's nonsense... but even if the first paragraph were 100% true... FBaggins May 2016 #9
Do you think that the current Israeli stance on Gaza is more or less the correct one, or do you Little Tich May 2016 #10
It's their stance toward the West Bank that could be improved FBaggins May 2016 #15
What if Hamas won't jump through hoops, even if told to do so? Little Tich May 2016 #20
"Stop killing your own people" is hardly jumping through hoops. FBaggins May 2016 #21
What responsibility do you believe Hamas has in this, if any? shira May 2016 #16
Frankly, I don't really expect much compromise from a bunch of repressive religious hardliners like Little Tich May 2016 #22
So your solution is to allow Hamas open access to all sorts of weapons, right? shira May 2016 #28
The tunnels and rockets are the Gazans biggest problems with Israel King_David May 2016 #14
Talking tunnels...... Israeli May 2016 #11
Would you mind explaining leftynyc May 2016 #12
Just talking tunnels leftynyc..... Israeli May 2016 #13
Problems for bibi are good news leftynyc May 2016 #18
Maybe if you actually read .... Israeli May 2016 #23
I did read it leftynyc May 2016 #24
What !!!! ???? Israeli May 2016 #26
Do whatever you want leftynyc May 2016 #27
Isn't it obvious? FBaggins May 2016 #17
All they have are deflections leftynyc May 2016 #19
You have it ass backwards .... Israeli May 2016 #25
Just ignoring the real problems and taking a gratuitous cheap shot Fozzledick May 2016 #29
You would think the leftynyc May 2016 #30
Another expert .... Israeli May 2016 #31

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
1. Who would have thought that when a terror...
Thu May 5, 2016, 10:56 AM
May 2016

... group rules an area there would be negative consequences for the people who lived there.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
2. And yet Israel gets crap
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:06 AM
May 2016

from people for not unilaterally sitting down with these terrorists and giving them what they want. They wanted terrorists as leaders - hope they're enjoying what they themselves voted for.

FBaggins

(27,746 posts)
3. After the tunnels are destroyed, we'll learn that the tunnel system included
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:27 AM
May 2016

Two wedding ceremonies, a UN school, a children's hospital, and a parking garage for ambulances.

Sadly... only innocent civilians were killed.

/pallywood

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. Undoubtedly true
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:40 AM
May 2016

Innocent children civilians somehow were the only ones in the terrorist build tunnels. Terrorists nowhere to be found. My eyes rolled so much, I got a headache.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
6. I wish I could say
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:41 PM
May 2016

I was surprised. Remember the head of Labour party called hamas his pals until he took heat. I sure wont forget.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
8. The tunnels and the rockets are the least of Israel's problems with Gaza.
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:30 PM
May 2016

The real problem is that there's big refugee camp with almost 2 million people 50 miles south of Tel Aviv, where people are desperate, really poor and really angry. I don't think that making the lives of these people even worse will solve any problems whatsoever.

The OP conveniently gives a reason for not dealing with the problem, and meanwhile the situation only gets worse.

FBaggins

(27,746 posts)
9. That's nonsense... but even if the first paragraph were 100% true...
Thu May 5, 2016, 09:09 PM
May 2016

... it's Hamas that gives them a reason for not dealing with the problem. Not the OP.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
10. Do you think that the current Israeli stance on Gaza is more or less the correct one, or do you
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:12 AM
May 2016

think Israel should act differently?

FBaggins

(27,746 posts)
15. It's their stance toward the West Bank that could be improved
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:45 AM
May 2016

So long as Hamas is in charge of Gaza, their "stance" on Gaza is just about their only choice. If tunnels between Gaza/Israel are discovered, they should be destroyed. If terrorists launch rocket/mortar attacks, there should be counter-battery fire.

Do you think that that the people of Gaza are well served by their Hamas rulers when they divert humanitarian aid toward constructing tunnels instead of homes and intentionally site their attacks so that counter-strikes will kill as many civilians as possible?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
20. What if Hamas won't jump through hoops, even if told to do so?
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:42 AM
May 2016

Does that mean that the problem with Gaza is solved?

FBaggins

(27,746 posts)
21. "Stop killing your own people" is hardly jumping through hoops.
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:50 AM
May 2016

Solving the issues in Gaza has nothing to do with getting Hamas to do anything... other than disappear.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
16. What responsibility do you believe Hamas has in this, if any?
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:47 AM
May 2016

Last edited Fri May 6, 2016, 06:27 AM - Edit history (1)

Let's see you lay into Hamas for what's happening in Gaza.

Can you do it?

Go on, begin...

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
22. Frankly, I don't really expect much compromise from a bunch of repressive religious hardliners like
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:51 AM
May 2016

Hamas.

In some ways, continuing the blockade is the best way to keep them in power indefinitely. Cuba has been under US embargo since 1960, and socialism wouldn't have survived there without it.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
28. So your solution is to allow Hamas open access to all sorts of weapons, right?
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

After all, there's no proof Hamas uses anything coming in for military purposes....says the UN which you trust:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134127895



You have a problem criticizing Hamas legitimately, don't you?

As much as you cry about not being allowed to legitimately criticize Israel, you object to any legitimate criticism of Hamas.

Yes?

Because they're victims and it's racist....?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
14. The tunnels and rockets are the Gazans biggest problems with Israel
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:05 AM
May 2016

If there were none and no terrorist attacks there would be no blockade.

Israeli

(4,306 posts)
11. Talking tunnels......
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:33 AM
May 2016
'Netanyahu never consulted the cabinet about Hamas tunnels before 2014 operation'

State Comptroller expected to publish a report slamming the Prime Minister and his close circle's silence about tunnel threat: PM's defenders: This is slander.

Itama Eichner
Published: 05.06.16, 11:02 / Israel News

Source : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4800107,00.html

Also : ....

Watchdog Believes Netanyahu, Ya’alon Kept Cabinet in the Dark in 2014 Gaza War, Sources Say

Most ministers in the security cabinet were sidelined and did not receive full information during Operation Protective Edge, according to officials who have seen a draft report by State Comptroller Joseph Shapira.

Barak Ravid May 05, 2016

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.717905

and : ....

Netanyahu Associates Blast Comptroller's Draft Gaza War Report as 'Biased, Politicking'

Senior officials who saw the draft report, first published by Haaretz, said comptroller found serious shortcomings in Israel's preparedness against tunnel threat.

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.718226

Israeli

(4,306 posts)
13. Just talking tunnels leftynyc.....
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:00 AM
May 2016

Top of the news over here .......guess you have to be Israeli to get it .

Bereaved families demand to see Protective Edge report: 'Whoever failed should pay'

Asaf Rozen
Published: 05.06.16, 11:14 / Israel News

Families who lost children in Operation Protective Edge are demanding to see a draft report written by State Comptroller Yosef Shapira who intends to publish a scathing report about Operation Protective Edge in Gaza in 2014. The expected critique condemns the conduct of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his inner security circle.

Source : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4800115,00.html

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. Problems for bibi are good news
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:30 AM
May 2016

for Israel. Still don't know what that has to do with hamas's tunnels but whatever.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
24. I did read it
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:02 AM
May 2016

And another on the same topic from Aretz Sheva - and I still don't know what it has to do with the hamas built tunnels. Are you denying they exist? That hamas stole the aid money meant for hospitals, food, schools and bought tunnels and built tunnels instead? Still not getting you think this proves.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. Do whatever you want
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:12 AM
May 2016

Makes no difference to me but I still don't understand why you seem to be denying the tunnels exist or that hamas built them with the hope of killing Israelis. You WANT that scathing report to mean something it doesn't. That's not my problem.

FBaggins

(27,746 posts)
17. Isn't it obvious?
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:02 AM
May 2016

Clearly there weren't any tunnels because Hamas loves peace. Netanyahu made them up as an excuse to launch attacks and destroy civilian homes.

</hamas>

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
19. All they have are deflections
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:31 AM
May 2016

from the behavior of the terrorist hamas and the deaths that result from the behavior of their elected hamas leaders. They wouldn't want to look too hard at what they're supporting.

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