....can be placed at the door of ignorance Little Tich , or perhaps lack of education would be a better way to put it .

see : Despite years of Jewish education, much of which focused on Israel, this young American Zionist was still ignorant of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank.

http://972mag.com/jewish-educations-sin-of-omission/119397/

A school is supposed to be a moral authority, and shouldn't be teaching people things that aren't really true. It's not exclusively a Jewish problem - I went to a school that embraced Christian values for a while, and they taught me that playing Dungeons & Dragons was tantamount to summoning Satan. I never told them that I enthusiastically summoned Satan every week.

There's a definite risk that some of these people who realized that they were practically lied to, will turn against their school and dismiss everything that they were taught, not just the bad bits. But then again, some of them probably won't care, and will keep believing in what they were told.

Take a look at this .....

Israeli, Palestinian teens open back channel via Facebook

Summary: What started as verbal hostilities between Israeli and Gazan teenagers turned into meaningful online dialogue when mutual accusations gave way to curiosity about each other's lives.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/05/israel-gaza-social-media-facebook-youth-communication.html#ixzz48z9LdhvC

I hope the fanatics on both sides will let them continue but somehow I doubt it .

It is that so much of the anti-Israel crowd seeks the destruction of the Jewish state, and that there is so much interconnection between groups with legitimate concern and those that are hateful and that try to conceal their hatefulness in the usual high souding slogans, that it is safer to err on the cautious side and have no truck with anything that smacks of being anti-Israel.

are part of Israel

I can assure you that you are wrong.

I think I have a better handle on my own community.

go ahead I think it's funny

What branch? What was your Torah portion?

....just wow ...........true colors .

Who says religion has nothing to do with the IP conflict .........

You ask the average secular Israeli that aranthus your in for a shock .

You should come visit and learn about us.

So why when we set up a meeting with you ........you never turned up ?

or Jerusalem or Eilat or Rosh Hanikra

...........pants on fire .

You initiated the whole lets meet up .........like it was a test .
All done thru/by pushing me to the limits .
So I agreed .
You wanted me to meet you in a gay bar in Tel Aviv .
I told you no way ......a 65 yr old grandmother meeting some stranger in a bar, gay or not !!!!!
So I said ....lets meet closer to my home , and not alone , with my son ....I gave you a time and place .... you never showed up KD .

I have it all documented with our PMs .

You didnt turn up .... cos you are sooooooo full of it KD .....and you are not fooling anyone ...least of all me .

I'll check.
I missed a great opportunity ,I'm sure ,to educate you on American Jews and Gay life in Tel Aviv - that's too bad.

............whats your opinion on this ???? :

Court Orders Israeli City to Lay Off Pork-selling Shops on Shabbat

Ashdod municipality was imposing selective enforcement on five stores which 'prominently display the fact that they sell food that is not kosher,' judge rules.

Source : http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.720171

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we all free to make assumptions and assumptions can be corrected too... I myself am from the same community.

...so why when we agreed to meet with you .....you never turned up KD ???

.....I cant stand it when a grown man weeps .

Probably never crossed his mind we would share ......

You're talking about here either


That avatar means one in 10 Jews is Gay , hence one in every Minyon

But I'm pretty sure you've never been a part of any of that as your complete ignorance and cluelessness and homophobia is showing.
Your clearly not a part of the Jewish community and that's pretty obvious .

I've been on the board for years and so has azurenoir. I have had the chance to read lots of his/her posts. My conclusion may be wrong and I will wait to see if/how my question is answered.

.....LOL .

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Were you an American secular Jew, you might have picked up on that.

To be clear, especially for those who are not Jewish, I was asking about your connection to, and/or education in, anything Jewish that would give some legitimacy to your disparaging post about what American Jews think.

I'm not religious. I have many family members who are not religious. Many of us are either Israeli or children of Israelis. Virtually all of us could answer the question, "What branch?" You didn't.

As for the "Torah portion" question. Most of the Jews I know, religious or not, know what a Torah portion refers to, and they would have answered with that, instead of how you answered. Your answer was a bit off.

But let's assume that you are telling the truth. What if you really had no Jewish education growing up, and you aren't at all religious? What can we conclude from that? Well if your parents didn't care enough about passing on their Jewish heritage (or if they didn't have any Jewish education either) to give you any Jewish education, then are they the kind of people who would believe that the settlements are part of Israel? That's supremely unlikely. And if it's true then it's because they are bloody ignorant, not because they are Jewish. So the chances are you didn't come across that opinion in your family. Even more unlikely that it would be a majority opinion.

And if you aren't religious and you didn't have a Jewish education, then what Jews would you associate with now? If you are like most Leftists of Jewish Parentage, then they would be other Leftists. So also not people who would hold the opinion you ascribe to the majority of Jews.

So I stand by my original point. I think I know more about the Jewish Community, and your post is an unfair disparagement.

What planet are you living on aranthus ?

When did I say anything about Peace Now?

But worthy of opposition nevertheless. A few reasons:

* - It's an astroturf tactic of the BDS movement
* - Quite a few of those products are made by Palestinian employees who benefit directly from the employment.
* - Even in a two-state solution, most peace proposals assume that large portions of Area C settlements will be part of Israel. How do consumers differentiate between areas that are truly "occupied" and those that will remain under permanent Israeli control?

Source: Adalah NY

....in Israel. Of course, we can continue with that idiotic list but you'll still pretend they're legitimate and continue to air their propaganda and lies here.

We also just concluded that there is no Apartheid in the W.Bank, so why are you backing anti-Israel boycotts now? Your main reason for doing so was because of "Apartheid" which you now realize doesn't exist.

Remember, it's the constant, deliberate lies about Israel that expose "critics" for who they really are.

At best, it was a draw.

You're the one who concluded that there's no Apartheid in the occupied territories, not me.

The Adalah list is still unrefuted - I remain convinced that the Israeli government's mandated use of exclusively Jewish imagery does indeed discriminate against non-Jewish citizens.

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Come on. Claiming the Gregorian calendar or Scandinavian flags are discriminatory is stupid and no one sane argues those symbols are discriminatory. Any loon doing so wouldn't be taken seriously by anyone of importance. I don't think you even believe a Hebrew Calendar and Star of David Flag is discriminatory and if you claim Christian calendars and flags aren't discriminatory but Jewish ones are, then you're the one with the problem.

Another stupid claim by Adalah is that a law that grants benefits to Jewish soldiers is discriminatory because Arabs aren't required to serve in the army like Jews or Druze. The thing is Arabs CAN serve if they want, they're just not required to do so. I want to see you acknowledge this doozy because you'd definitely be against Israel requiring Arabs to serve in its military. Israel gives them a choice due to many who want to avoid fighting fellow Palestinians. Now seriously - if you believe it's discriminatory for Israel not to require Arabs to serve in its military, then give an intelligent reason as to why. I want to see you argue for Israel making military service mandatory for all Arab citizens of Israel. Go on...

Give up yet? I just re-opened that thread since you were so anxious to debate those "discriminatory" laws.

As to Apartheid, you couldn't even present a dictionary definition of the term that would demonstrate how what Israel does (in contrast to any other liberal democracy) falls under the definition of Apartheid. You know full well there's no such thing as Apartheid based on nationality, and that's the best you could argue since the W.Bank situation isn't about race, ethnicity, or religion....meaning no Apartheid.

population.

Mandating the exclusive use of Jewish references implies that Israeli Arabs aren't supposed to have a voice or be noticed.

Just a few days ago, Israel’s 68th Independence Day festivities showed a chilling example of this exclusionary imagery, when soldiers formed the words "One People, one Nation". According to Miri Regev, Minister of Culture: “The phrase ‘one people, one nation’ is an expression of the just aspiration of the Zionist movement since its inception: to establish a Jewish state.” (http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.719538) I beg to differ - that's a fascist slogan.


Source: http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2016/05/12/israel-independence-day-evokes-nazi-era-slogan/

There's a music group called Laibach that has explored monumentalist art, and I think their interpretation in this video clip is pretty close to what Miri Regev meant:

Laibach - Geburt einer Nation (Opus Dei) Official Video

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You cannot make an argument that Israel's Hebrew Calendar, stamps, or Flag are discriminatory either.

Otherwise - you'd be forced to acknowlege the same throughout other western, liberal democracies.

Case closed.

I point out that it isn't an authentic movement, but rather a slippery-slope tactic of the BDS movement... and your rebuttal is a link from a rabidly BDS organization? Were you trying to be entertaining or does it just come naturally?

I point out that many of those products are produced by Palestinian employees who benefit from the income. Your response doesn't even try to touch on this fact.

Lastly, I pointed out that most peace proposals assume land swaps that would put the vast majority of the population of the settlements into Israel proper. Did you think that you refuted this simple fact by claiming that the position wasn't unanimous? If so, you failed miserably.

and Netanyahu hasn't offered any swaps.

Untrue.

That Geneva convention clearly applies to WW2 events like deporting Jews from occupied territory to death camps and has nothing to do with I/P civilians choosing voluntarily to live on their ancestral lands.

Have you actually read the applicable text?