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ericson00

(2,707 posts)
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:20 PM May 2016

Singling out Israel: The Sanders Democratic Party version

http://www.jewishjournal.com/rosnersdomain/item/singling_out_israel_the_sanders_democratic_party_version

Bernie Sanders will not be the next President of the United States, and that is calming news for anyone who wants Israel to survive in a hostile environment. Not that he is hostile to Israel, or that he wants to see it eliminated. Not that he doesn't have good intentions. Surely, his intentions as good as all the good intentions with which the road to hell is paved.
Sanders made news in recent days by making appointments to the Democratic Party's important Platform Drafting Committee of people who are not exactly Israel's most ardent supporters. Press reports focused on Sanders’ selection of Jim Zogby, a notable pro-Palestinian activist to the committee. But his other appointments – Cornel West, a supporter of BDS, rep. Keith Ellison, who voted against Iron Dome funding in Congress – are not expected to balance the Israel ticket on the committee.


Disgusting, and a betrayal from a party Jewish voters have been loyal to for a century.
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Singling out Israel: The Sanders Democratic Party version (Original Post) ericson00 May 2016 OP
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #1
graphic from OP azurnoir May 2016 #2
moderate and conservative Dems together make up more Democrats ericson00 May 2016 #3
so you're saying that the Democrats are centrist to right leaning ? azurnoir May 2016 #4
the majority of the Democratic Party is a pro-Jewish pro-Israel party ericson00 May 2016 #5
No. The Dems are a center liberal party aranthus May 2016 #7
what sort sub-divides liberals into smaller groups? azurnoir May 2016 #8
Not sure what you're asking about. aranthus May 2016 #10
I disagree leftists are liberals but are concerned about more issues than c/r 'liberals' azurnoir May 2016 #12
And it sure don't include suporting regimes that have a hate King_David May 2016 #13
Most Leftists support the people of Gaza as opposed to Hamas azurnoir May 2016 #23
You don't find such people here on DU part of the vocal tiny minority King_David May 2016 #24
BDS'ers banning a Jew while favoring a gay hating homophobe... shira May 2016 #27
The anti-Israel Left supports Hamas, not the people... shira May 2016 #26
well said. Its like the far-left wants Trump to win ericson00 May 2016 #9
I don't think the want Trump to win. aranthus May 2016 #11
One more reason to vote for Clinton. aranthus May 2016 #6
Any Democrat is better than Trump, but a right-leaning Democrat like Clinton shouldn't assume that Little Tich May 2016 #14
fine. She can trade uber-progs who will not vote for her on her support of Israel alone ericson00 May 2016 #15
Hopefully, Bernie Sanders will win the nomination. Little Tich May 2016 #16
he's not going to win the nomination. You know it, I know it, ericson00 May 2016 #17
Clinton hasn't won the California primary yet... Little Tich May 2016 #18
he's consistently lost the Jewish vote to Hillary ericson00 May 2016 #19
Sanders's Israel criticism splits Jewish American vote Little Tich May 2016 #20
Umm read the numbers...she beaten him with Jews by ericson00 May 2016 #21
Eppur si muove... n/t Little Tich May 2016 #22
Putting West on the committee leftynyc May 2016 #25

Response to ericson00 (Original post)

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
3. moderate and conservative Dems together make up more Democrats
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:04 PM
May 2016

than liberals. Unless to you and the like, moderates are all evil corporatist DLC impure RINOs. Add those pro-I people to the pro-I liberals left, anti-I people are still decisively outnumbered.

Also, I'll highlight the Gallup poll that reflects this

>2:1 even with Democrats, despite far-left agitation.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
5. the majority of the Democratic Party is a pro-Jewish pro-Israel party
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:32 PM
May 2016

despite what a loud and annoying minority want to make it.

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
7. No. The Dems are a center liberal party
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:04 PM
May 2016

That's why they really need to back away from the Leftist abyss before it's too late.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
12. I disagree leftists are liberals but are concerned about more issues than c/r 'liberals'
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:27 PM
May 2016

IMO in the US the litmus test for liberal comes down to 2 things are you for womens reproductive rights and LGBT rights most other things such economic justice, medical care as a right vs priviledge among other things are rather up for grabs

King_David

(14,851 posts)
13. And it sure don't include suporting regimes that have a hate
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

A murderous HATE for all those things as does the Palestinian statelets and Iran and Uganda and Islamic state....

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
23. Most Leftists support the people of Gaza as opposed to Hamas
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:22 AM
May 2016

for some it's hard to separate the 2 and I am sure we'll soon hear the fake meme about how the people of Gaza elected Hamas to lead them, when in fact they did no such thing and Hamas took over Gaza by a coup

King_David

(14,851 posts)
24. You don't find such people here on DU part of the vocal tiny minority
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:36 AM
May 2016

The BDS crowd is anti Jewish

And a lot are homophobic

Recently they tried banning an American Jew from performing at a reggae festival because he was a Jew but had no problems with their friends a hate group homophobic Gay hating POS performing.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
27. BDS'ers banning a Jew while favoring a gay hating homophobe...
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:59 PM
May 2016

....sure was an eye opener, wasn't it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=110597

But if you think about it, that's typical of BDS Leftists who support Hamas oppression of gays in Gaza.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
26. The anti-Israel Left supports Hamas, not the people...
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:55 PM
May 2016

They don't give a shit about the people of Gaza, from gays to women to children used as human shields. You know that so why pretend otherwise?

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
9. well said. Its like the far-left wants Trump to win
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:12 PM
May 2016

so they can overthrow "the DLC/corporatists" for 2020.

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
11. I don't think the want Trump to win.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:18 PM
May 2016

But when you are that far to Left everyone to your right looks the same. So why should they vote? Trump or Clinton is the same to them.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
14. Any Democrat is better than Trump, but a right-leaning Democrat like Clinton shouldn't assume that
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:22 PM
May 2016

all Democratic voters will automatically vote for her.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
15. fine. She can trade uber-progs who will not vote for her on her support of Israel alone
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:27 PM
May 2016

for moderate normal voters. I'd gladly make such a trade.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
16. Hopefully, Bernie Sanders will win the nomination.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:41 PM
May 2016

Hopefully, you will support Bernie Sanders over Trump.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
17. he's not going to win the nomination. You know it, I know it,
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:44 PM
May 2016

the world knows it, even Bernie knows it.

And while I might not vote for Trump, many other Jewish voters might; Bernie's socialism not only threatens their economic success they've earned over generations, but his unpopularity among Jews (given the D-primary) would give Trump an opening, he'd counter the Duke allegations of the world with Bernie's anti-Israel fans, and could put a Jew on his ticket. They'd not only gain on the Jewish vote, but they'd get a lot of campaign donations and political participation to boot. Jewish voter turnout is WAY higher than the youngsters who go vote for Bernie. America is capitalist; campaign donations matter. Plus, Trump would not only have his own money, but Wall Street money which Bernie eschews because all money is evil to him.

You do realize that in Europe, the formerly left-voting Jewish populations now all vote right? They did that because of obsessive and conspiratorial anti-Zionism and softness/accomodation to Islamist ideas. That could happen here with Bernie.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
18. Clinton hasn't won the California primary yet...
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:07 PM
May 2016

But frankly, don't you think that Bernie Sanders has some Jewish backing because of his policies? While I'm not completely comfortable with stereotyping Jewish attitudes, it would be safe to assume that some Jewish Americans would prefer Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
19. he's consistently lost the Jewish vote to Hillary
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:13 PM
May 2016
over the course of the campaign. Those are polls, not mere conjecture.

A LOT MORE Jewish Americans prefer Hillary over Bernie.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
20. Sanders's Israel criticism splits Jewish American vote
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:32 PM
May 2016

Source: Yahoo! News, April 17, 2016

New York (AFP) - When Bernie Sanders called Israel's response in the 2014 Gaza war disproportionate and urged America to be more balanced on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, he smashed a presidential campaign taboo.

His remarks at the April 14 Democratic debate ahead of New York's decisive primary on Tuesday amounted to unprecedented criticism of Israel and promotion of Palestinian rights from a canvassing US presidential candidate.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "is not right all of the time," said the Vermont senator. "We cannot continue to be one-sided."

He criticized Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton for not saying that she would do more to promote Palestinian rights when she addressed the powerful right-wing American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) lobby in Washington in March.

"If we are ever going to bring peace to that region, which has seen so much hatred and so much war, we are going to have to treat the Palestinian people with respect and dignity," Sanders said.


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But Sanders' words reflect changing attitudes among Jewish voters, particularly Millennials who grew up seeing Israel as a strong state and for whom the horrors of the Holocaust are more removed.


Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/sanderss-israel-criticism-splits-jewish-american-vote-052711724.html
 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
21. Umm read the numbers...she beaten him with Jews by
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:54 PM
May 2016

Double digits. The electorate is bigger than a few college kids and recent grads, some of who wish there were an easy answer for anti Semitism and many of whom have radical professors way out of the mainstream...

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
25. Putting West on the committee
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:04 AM
May 2016

sealed Bernie's fate - they wont get one thing through and the rest of the committee will delight in fighting against them knowing it will help them in the general. Anybody that supports bds is an enemy of progressives everywhere. We wont even discuss the repulsive things he's said about our President.

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