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Strange that you nevertheless keep trying...

It's all about crapping on the Jewish state & inciting more anger and hate.

....Bennett is ranting and raving ???

Read on :

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/06/prophet-jeremiah-netanyahu-liberman-abbas-peace-idf.html

Summary

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and new Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman made some positive remarks this week about the need for a regional arrangement, but the route from words to deeds is a long and uncertain one.

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It reminds me of the USA.

Shelly Yacimovich Calls Out Netanyahu and Lieberman's Dovish Statements as Hypocrisy

Labor lawmaker uses gruesome metaphor to describe what would happen if her party joined the coalition based on the prime minister and defense minister's 'words of peace.'

Jonathan Lis Jun 04, 2016

New calls for peace with the Palestinians made by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman are nothing but talk, prominent Labor Party lawmaker Shelly Yacimovich said Saturday, even as her party leader was rumored to have resumed his efforts to bring the party into Netanyahu's government. 

"When I see Netanyahu and Lieberman suddenly floating words of peace, surrounded by the humming of doves, I cannot but imagine them next wringing those doves' heads and baking them in an oven, stuffed with what's left of the Labor Party if we join them based on these words, god forbid," the former Labor leader said at a cultural event in Tel Aviv. 

During the past few weeks, Netanyahu tried to form an alternative political process with a few Arab nations, led by Egypt. This push, started by opposition leader Isaac Herzog together with former British prime minister Tony Blair and other international sources, was meant to legitimize a deal for Herzog's entry into the government. When the far-right Lieberman entered the government instead, he issued several dovish statements, including an affirmation of support for the two-state solution. 

Yacimovich, however, was less than impressed, saying that Zionist Union can support a push for peace just as easily from the opposition's benches. "If Netanyahu and Lieberman lead a real process, our finger will be there, we'll be a constructive opposition."

If talk turns to deeds, Yacimovich said, the discussion over Zionist Union's joining the coalition can be reopened. "I pledge that in an opportunity for real drama I'll be the one who makes sure we don't miss it," she said. 

Yacimovich warned that joining Netanyahu's government under current conditions would annihilate the party, "politically, ideologically and morally," and slammed her party leader Herzog for weakening Zionist Union. 

"Herzog never accepted the fact that he's the head of the opposition, and never led a strong opposition to Netanyahu," she said, adding that there was a strong chance that she would seek the party leadership herself. 

Signs that the move to add the Zionist Union to the government is still on the table grew in recent days. Netanyahu and Finance Minister Moshe Kahlon publicly called on Herzog to join the coalition. Netanyahu even clarified in a speech to the Knesset plenum that he's holding on to the foreign affairs portfolio and other portfolios ahead of the party's possible entrance to the coalition.

In the meanwhile, the past few weeks have seen a real weakening in the Zionist Union lawmakers' opposition to joining the government.

Source : http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.723062

Roasted pidgeons, what a metaphor.

Yes, I have had the feeling that Bibi is pursuing some new hot ideas, making up with old enemies and making new ones, but it all looks murky if not irrational, hard to tell which yet.

I'm not sure he knows what he is doing either.

Avoda is eating itself from within ........Shelly Yacimovich wants to replace Herzog.

Divide and conquer .

Weak link in the chain is Tzipi Livni.....which way she goes could decide everything .

Same monkey politics as always, like listening to a war among howler monkeys. You can hear that in what is said.

We have the same problem here, like I said.

But is that any way to run a government? I think not.

.....who stays and who goes ......who joins him .......who leaves him ????????

Bennett Blasts Netanyahu for Supporting 'Land of Israel in Hebrew and Palestinian State in English'

Education minister says Israel must assert its right to the land openly and clearly. 'The world smells weakness just as it identifies strength.'

Barak Ravid Jun 05, 2016

Education Minister Naftali Bennett sharply attacked Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman on Sunday night for their recent statements in favor of both a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the Arab peace initiative.
"There are those, both in Israel and the world, who are signing up for various Arab peace initiatives, according to which Israel will be divided – God forbid, Jerusalem will be divided – and we'll return to the '67 lines," Bennett said during an address at Yeshivat Mercaz Harav in Jerusalem.

"Because the world is feeling pressured and we need to appease it."

"My answer to them tonight is – never!"
"We all stand together like a rock for the wholeness of our land," Bennett stated. "We don't stutter, we don't get confused, we don't exaggerate."

Bennett also indirectly criticized Netanyahu for opposing a Palestinian state before the 2015 elections and supporting it after the elections.

"The time has come to say clearly: The land of Israel belongs to the people of Israel," Bennett said. "In Hebrew, English, Russian and French; in summer and in winter; when there are elections and when there aren't. Why? Because the world listens to every word we say."
"The world identifies weakness just as it identifies strength," Bennett added. "The world smells when we aren't certain about our right to the land and attacks us furiously with boycotts.
"We can't be in favor of the land of Israel in Hebrew and establish a Palestinian state in English."

Habayit Hayehudi said Sunday that "we respect the prime minister and his leadership, but we will not allow him to adopt the Arab initiative that includes returning to the '67 borders, the division of Jerusalem and the introduction of refugees."

Bennett's statements open yet another confrontation with the prime minister following his public ultimatum last week concerning reforms to the security cabinet.

The rift between Bennett and Netanyahu has been growing in recent weeks, against the background of Lieberman's entry into the Defense Ministry and Bennett's insistence that a military secretary be appointed to the security cabinet. 

Netanyahu refused Bennett's demand, and the two reached a compromise only after the education minister threatened to sabotage Lieberman's nomination. Since then, Netanyahu has made renewed efforts to bring the Zionist Union into the coalition ahead of pushing Habayit Hayehudi out. 

In recent days, Netanyahu updated the heads of factions within the coalition on political contacts and on his public confrontation with Bennett.

"Netanyahu made clear that he would not give Bennett a second chance if he picked another confrontation with him," said a source familiar with the talks. "It is unclear what wins out at this point," the source added, "Netanyahu's hatred of Bennett or his fear of Bennett heading to the opposition."

"The prime minister seems to be very concerned with the possibility that Bennett would steal Likud's extreme voters and Ya'alon would steal Likud's moderate voters."

Bennett's associates claimed that he is not attempting to worsen the conflict with Netanyahu and noted that Habayit Hayehudi prefers to remain in the coalition and hold the justice portfolio for the next term, but noted that leaving the coalition would also please his constituency.

Zionist Union chairman MK Isaac Herzog said Saturday he might join a government headed by Netanyahu even during the current term. Herzog conditioned such a step on Habayit Hayehudi leaving the coalition and his own faction agreeing to the move.

Habayit Hayehudi officials called Herzog's remarks "a last-ditch attempt to exploit the crisis in confidence" between Bennett and Netanyahu, in order to bring about a unity government at Bennett's expense.

Source : http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.723297

That quote about "one thing in Hebrew and something else in English" sounds sort of familiiar. Maybe it was Arabic in the other version.


I wonder what life must be like when you are continually being betrayed by everyone.

And it really does remind me of the tragic psychodrama being acted out in the US right now.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/likud-slams-hypocritical-bennett-over-palestinian-statehood-scuffle/

Bennett is right about that tho .....Bibi does talk out of both sides of his mouth about the establishment of a Palestinian state.

I wonder what life must be like when you are continually being betrayed by everyone.

You become paranoid ..............and Bibi is extremely paranoid .

And it really does remind me of the tragic psychodrama being acted out in the US right now.

Do you mean the Hilary/Bernie thing ????

Who are having a similar epic meltdown over Mr. Trump, and his big mouth.

But we here have always had dirty elections, and lots of wild accusations etc., and that was not always so in Israel.

at the same time with outside political insurgencies. Without the two-party system we have here, you don't see that at all, the party just splits. Here if you are a third party, you are irrelevant most of the time. It is very rare for 3rd parties to affect important outcomes. The last time was the Vietnam/Civil Rights period, when it happened for a couple cycles in a row. It portends that the managers of our managed democracy are losing control, and that things could get even more "disorderly" as the election goes on.

Mr. Trump really is a wrecking ball, and Mr.Sanders seems to have decided to go down fighting too, so I alternate being amused with being worried.

....put aside their differences and unite against Trump ....united we stand divided we fall ...the very thought of Donald Trump in charge not only worries me it terrifies me ....their is nothing amusing about that individual .

I think Obama is working on that, he is a good President.

It is not a done deal, but I think the Democratic split will be healed, this will not be 1968 again. If it does not get healed, then, well, ...

But the Republicans look much more unpredictable. Loose cannoons everywhere on the Republican side, it could get existential for the current Republican elites.

by coalition partners

............Shas is now threatening to leave the coalition unless it gets what it wants .

Not really a shock ....Shas does this whenever they think their seats might give them some leverage .........they are all playing the power game geek tragedy.

After 50 Years of Occupation, Israeli Politics Have Reached a Dead End

The right has the authority but doesn't have a policy, while the left has a policy but doesn't have the people.

Carolina Landsmann Jun 10, 2016

The political system is caught in a paradox: To get Zionist Union into the coalition, Habayit Hayehudi will have to go, but if Habayit Hayehudi quit the coalition before Zionist Union comes in – the government falls and one can’t really expect Zionist Union to resist the temptation to let it fall.

So how to add Zionist Union to the coalition when you have to first get rid of Habayit Hayehudi, without first getting rid of Habayit Hayehudi? 

Zionist Union’s dilemma is real: On the one hand, if a historic window of opportunity for a diplomatic accord is truly opening due to a new geopolitical constellation and the prime minister’s personal and political difficulties, it’s unthinkable that the left would be the one to slam it shut. On the other hand, it means joining forces with Benjamin Netanyahu, the man whose name is a synonym for diplomatic intransigence and personal and public disloyalty.

You’d have to be a hopeless optimist to really believe that there is a scenario in which Netanyahu is the person who ends the occupation. 

Zionist Union must therefore take a political leap of faith here, when there is seemingly no good reason to do so. Reason says that if there’s a chance of taking down Netanyahu, then that’s what needs to be done. 

Even before the terror attack in Tel Aviv, which served as a reminder of the right’s most fervently-denied truth – that it has no answer for Israel’s security problems, and before the latest corruption allegations against Netanyahu, and before the crisis with Shas, there were plenty of good reasons to hold early elections.

Distrust now permeates the entire political system, crossing all party lines: Ministers don’t trust the prime minister, MKs don’t trust their parties, the public doesn’t trust its representatives, and above all – the military doesn’t trust the government. But there’s no guarantee whatsoever that another election season will produce a new result that’s significantly different from what came out of the last election, or those that preceded it, because it’s very possible that the political system has really reached a dead end.  

What’s happening to the right now is important, because it’s being forced to confront its lack of tenability: It’s not possible to stay in power for the long-term without a policy, or at least the illusion of a policy. But the opposition also has to be honest with itself: Is it ready for new elections? Is the leftist camp really ready to take back the reins of the country? This camp seems clearly unable to coalesce around a leader. The left has a tendency to belittle the importance of leadership – as if good ideas or just some diligent field work were sufficient to win the public’s trust.

But ideas have to be connected to people, and it’s been a long time since the leftist camp has had anyone at its head whose name the people (or even just the members of its political party) could shout out loud. 

Maybe the sense that there’s no real opposition comes from a genuine (despite all the yelling) near-unity of opinion, or more accurately, an across-the-board feeling of hopelessness in the face of the real dilemma Israel must cope with: the Palestinian problem. Having slid down the slope of the occupation for close to 50 years now, it just doesn’t know how to solve the problem. Not when it says “two states for two peoples” and certainly not when it says “one state.”

So the political paradox may be a consequence of a national psychological strategy aimed at evading the responsibility that comes with authority: The right has a leader and an electorate but no viable policy, and the left has a policy, at least on paper, but it lacks the people.

When this is the situation, Netanyahu suddenly goes from being a problem to being a part of the solution: Thanks to him the right enjoys authority devoid of responsibility, while the left has responsibility devoid of authority. Netanyahu is just the face and embodiment of our futility.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.724174