"Temple Mount" would be a dead giveaway.

We live in a world of narratives that have little or nothing to do with actual history.

Abraham was a Muslim who offered up his son Ishmael to Allah.

Jesus of Nazareth was a Palestinian Muslim.

The Zionists are fake Jews (kazars) who came from Europe and stole Muslim land.


The fake Jews have been planting archaeological evidence in order to judaize Israel and Jerusalem.

The few indegenous Jews of the Levant lived in peace with the Muslims for thousands of years.

I could go on and on.

Eta I think the Israelis should let UNESCO know that because of this revisionist history they are going to let Jews and Christians pray on the Temple Mount.

Let them deal with the riots in Paris and London.

and that they're not the direct descendants of the original population there, which then translates to them not having any rights to their land.

While I think the false narratives on your list are deplorable, it's important that we understand that the false narratives that erase "the other" are used by both sides.

The whole article seems to be based on rumors. For example, it would be much more logical that Jordan was calling for a return to the status quo after 1967, not before. Israel has tried to change the status quo recently, which led to demonstrations and stabbings, if anyone remembers...

It's quite possible that Jordan is trying to curb Israeli ambitions on the Temple Mount and the Old City, rather than trying to erase Jewish history.

They were RUMORED to change the status quo - nothing was announced, nothing was said, nothing was done. Just more fodder for those who are LOOKING for a reason to be violent.

Are you in favor of a scheme where only people of a certain faith are permitted to pray in a particular geographic location?

If it were, then Israel could make laws guaranteeing equal religious rights for everyone, including non-Jews. But that would force Israel to treat non-Jewish religions and its adherents equally, which would be against the core values of the Jewish state.

If Israel introduced the right to Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount as a part of equal religious rights I would of course support it. But this issue is only about Judaizing Jerusalem, which I'm totally against.

Everyone in Israel DOES have equal religious rights. Nobody gets arrested for having a Koran (like they do in some Muslim countries for having a Christian bible), nobody stops any religion from praying whereever they like (unlike the Palestinians who demand that only Muslims have the right to pray on the Temple Mount). The ONLY ones denying religious freedom are the Muslims that control the Temple Mount (a really stupid thing for Israel to have agreed to).

Judaizing Jerusalem? One, a disgusting term that in no way presents what the issue is - that the Muslims FORBID anyone but a Muslim from praying - you could get ARRESTED for merely closing your eyes on the mount and you STILL blame Israel for the problem. I guess it's better than when you used to pretend you were neutral. Where is your outrage about UNESCO trying to deny the Jewish history of the Temple Mount? Aren't you even going to pretend?

I prefer to compare Israel to the US, even though it would put Israel on par with the Jim Crow era South, at best.

There are no equal religious rights in Israel or the occupied territories. Quite recently, a lot of Palestinians had their permits to visit their holy city revoked at Ramadan, and every year Christians are barred from Jerusalem during Easter. In Israel the Jewish religion is prioritized, and other religions get less or even no state funding. In the US, this would be completely illegal, and funding for religion would have to be spent equally. In the US, it would also be illegal to prevent people from accessing their holy places. Unfortunately, Israeli Arabs or Palestinians living in the occupied territories don't have anything like the US Constitution. The Judaizing of Jerusalem continues, and the Arab population there are living under Apartheid conditions.


Palestinians warn Israel over Easter restrictions
Source: Al Jazeera, 3 APRIL 2015

trying to change the subject - yet again. The subject is what you claimed - that Israel, by merely wanting to engage in religious freedom by being allowed to pray on the mount was doing something dangerous and insulting. MEANWHILE, it's actually the Palestinians who don't allow religious freedom and while I understand why it's inconvenient to discuss that from your side, it's nothing but BULLSHIT to try and change the subject to collective punishment. And it's bullshit to claim that Arab Israeli's don't have the exact same rights as Israelis. Complete utter bullshit.

Gee - I couldn't possibly have guessed that disgusting, repulsive term Judaization of Jerusalem had an Arabic root. Oh and I say this for the bazzilionth time - fuck the UN.

What's next ?
Catholicizing the Vatican ?
Islamicising Mecca and Medina ?

them.

Nor should Israel actively discriminate against the Arabs living in East Jerusalem.

East Jerusalem 2015: Facts and Figures
Source: Association for Civil Rights in Israel, May 2015
(snip p4)

Mecca and Medina is the number one And two holy cities for Islam I'm not sure where Jerusalem fits in numerically and for Christians or Bhuddists or Hindus or Jain or Bahai or Rastafarians or Atheists or Scientologist I'm pretty sure Jerusalem is an important city too...

If Israel had the same laws about discrimination as the US, there would be no Judaizing of Jerusalem, all religions would be treated equally, and Jews would be allowed to pray on the Temple Mount. Also, there would be no reason for Jordan to put any kind of draft decision about Jerusalem on the table.

about the Palestinians now allowing anyone but Muslims to pray on the Mount - they arrest people for merely closing their eyes? I've certainly never seen it and just below you try and deflect from that inconvenient truth by changing the subject - yet again. It's getting pretty pathetic watching you continue to do this time and time again.

It's a common ploy among Scandinavian neo-fascists and other racists to use the equal rights analogy to promote "equal" rights that only benefit the already privileged. For me, this is just an Israeli version of what I see all the time.

Do you ever wonder why the Israeli right-wingers rally around this issue, when they're not exactly known for their support of equal rights otherwise? If this was about equal rights, why don't they promote a law that removes the elevated status of the Jewish religion and demand that all religions in Israel receive equal treatment?

Israel - to accommodate the MUSLIM religious freaks that would go to freeking war over the very thought of Jews closing their eyes on the Temple Mount - tell Jews not to pray there. And you find fault with ISRAEL for that bullshit. When they would be well within their rights to tell the Muslims to go fuck themselves, tell all the Jews to pray and arrest anyone who dares to stop them? Your argument could be the most pathetic bullshit I've ever seen posted here and I've seen quite a lot of pathetic bullshit. Israel is the ONLY country in the neighborhood that goes out of its way to accommodate their Muslim minority. At the expense of Jews not being able to pray on the Temple Mount so they don't find yet another pathetic excuse to get violent and go to war.

adherents equally.

BTW, be careful with the apopleptics - the bar for what justifies hiding a post is lower than it used to be.

They're so accommodating to their Muslim minority they don't allow Jews to pray on the Temple Mount just because they may have a freeking hissy fit about it an use it as their latest excuse to kill people. Let them hide my post. I said what needed to be said to counter complete bullshit.

doesn't fit the narrative, does it?

That's why I had to fight back against the bullshit. I also had no idea people here didn't realize that Jews don't have a head of their religion - congregations are free to follow their own rabbi - or not.

The ignorance of this startled me.

on a subject.

Unless I'm missing something I'm supposed to be outraged at (other than at religious misogynist freaks), I'm missing your point. I'm grateful they can protest without getting arrested or killed.

find another source before I'll pay attention. You know this. I consider that source nothing but lying, propaganda crap.

.....and ask her yourself ???

Here let me help you once again .....

Anat Hoffman
Chair of the Board

Anat Hoffman is the executive director of the Israel Religious Action Center, the legal and advocacy arm of the Reform Movement in Israel. Previously, she held a seat on the Jerusalem City Council, where for fourteen years she stood in opposition to the policies of the city’s right-wing and ultra-Orthodox administration. She has dedicated her adult life to the Jewish principle of tikkun olam, which literally means repairing the world.

Source : http://www.womenofthewall.org.il/board-and-staff/

Contact details :
http://www.womenofthewall.org.il/conatct/

Your link doesn't say anything about an ARREST. Neither do the other sources at the multiple links about the event.

is the only one talking about an arrest. This article says they were escorted to the taxi line and an apology was issued. No wonder you like that source.

Edited to add link

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/israel-news/western-wall-rabbis-apology-kippah-incident-does-little-ease-religious-tensions

.....just Google " Israel + women of the wall arrested " .

I keep telling you leftynyc.....I dont need sources , I live here and have done for 66 years .
I saw the arrests on the evening news .....when they happened , each and every time .

what I did and came up with the 4 sources I listed which say nothing about an arrest. If the sources are so ubiquitous on this story, why can't you simply supply the link to the newspaper or video of the news report? You saying you must know because you live there is like those people in TX who are sure the empty Wal-marts are secret FEMA camps - because after all, rush limbaugh told them so.

show the lie in your pathetic source

http://www.timesofisrael.com/woman-barred-from-western-wall-for-wearing-skullcap/

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/311495/report-woman-denied-entrance-to-western-wall-for-wearing-kippah

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4677153,00.html


Your propaganda source is the ONLY one speaking of an arrest.

Not about a dress code.

The point was about equality for all ........there isnt any 6chars.

ANY of it's neighbors - even against many countries in the West when it comes to freedom of religion and you're truly barking up the wrong tree looking for Democrats who will trash Israel for this while remaining silent on its neighbors. You wish people judged Israel in a bubble of ignorance but that's ridiculous.

One poster: 'If I'm only kidding, it would be quite easy to prove that Israel treats non-Jewish religions and its adherents equally."

Another poster: 'They're so accommodating to their Muslim minority they don't allow Jews to pray on the Temple Mount'

Me: 'Muslims are allowed to pray at the Western Wall'

The thread was about faiths, about Islam and Judaism and Israel and so forth, there was no mention at all about women - you brought that in to just show fault with Israel in some way, since you could not find fault with Israel's treatment of Muslims in this regard.

Basically hijacking.

of those who are loathe to admit that Israel is heads and shoulders above its neighbors when it comes to human rights, women's rights, gay rights. That ONLY Israel (among it's neighbors) allows freedom of religion. I think it makes the deflectors look like fools but whatever. I post 4 different links about that event - none of which speak of an arrest. Only that propaganda crap site reports that.

....nothing concerns us more than equality for all Israeli citizens .....no matter their color, creed , religion or gender.

see : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Zionism

it is obvious what you are doing.

....

Why are you leaving them out of this thread? Do they not deserve a homeland? And what about children in rural Cambodia? Are they getting enough to eat? Do they have proper medical care?

It's all relevant. But not in this thread.

............they make no sense .

adherents, then you're wrong. It's easy to prove that Israel discriminates against non-Jewish religions and their adherents, and that Israel gives preferential treatment and funding to the Jewish religion and its adherents. I don't know how much you know about religious rights in the US, but the things Israel does wouldn't be allowed in the US. I think the US system of civil rights is a good standard that other countries should be judged against. As the argument here is about access to holy places, I'll provide a few examples of the actual discrimination in that regard, which isn't phony unlike the "Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount" argument.

2012 Report on International Religious Freedom: Israel and The Occupied Territories - The Occupied Territories
Source: US Department of State, May 20, 2013

Jews HAVE prayed at the Temple Mount, legally, since the destruction of the 2nd temple.

But I suppose it's allowed to disagree with their decisions.

The Supreme Court of Israel has repeatedly affirmed that Jews have the right to pray at the Temple Mount, if they so choose.

Of course, there is, apparently, nothing that enrages Muslims the world over more than the thought of Jewish people quietly mumbling to themselves, so the powers that be try very hard to prevent that from happening.

The sign you posted from the Wikipedia entry isn't there anymore, incidentally. The current sign is similar, but different in one important respect. Feel free to hunt around different Wikipedia entries to see if you can find the answer!

Source: Wikipedia

Jews don't have religious leaders. Rabbi's are teachers. We are under zero obligation to follow their precepts. Just fucking give it up already - you've already outed yourself as not caring one whit that the Palestinian authority forbids Jews from praying on the mount so this flailing about trying to change the subject to something you obviously know NOTHING about is pathetic.

Source: Jewish Virtual Library
(snip)

does whatever it can to stop the Muslims from finding yet another reason to freak out helps your argument at all? And how many times do I have to type the words RABBIS ARE NOT RELIGIOUS LEADERS. Jews have personal relationships with G-d - we don't go through others. But thanks for pointing out how much better Israel is with religious freedom (at the expense of Jews) than any of their neighbors.

....at the Jews' holiest site on earth. No other people - no other religion - would do that in the interests of peace and yet Israel has done it since 1967.

Meanwhile, Hamas Jew haters and their cheerleaders want all Jews banned from the Temple Mount area. It doesn't appear you have a problem with that, so do you support banning Jewish prayer at the Mount?

religions.

Ad hoc decisions that only benefit one particular group aren't good enough.

....right KD ?

Over here its the ultra-Orthodox/Orthodox.

So what is your take on this ????......

http://forward.com/sisterhood/337090/bibi-blinks-netanyahu-backs-away-from-western-wall-prayer-deal/

And beholden to the religious...

Source: Arutz Sheva, 26/07/15

A few seconds into the Shema Yisrael prayer, a youth is taken away by police and arrested, on Tisha B'Av.

It seems as if you think the status quo deal should be changed. As long as it's only about Judaizing Jerusalem and giving only Jews access to their holy places I'm against it. If it was about a general rule giving Muslims, Christians and Jews in Israel and the occupied territories equal rights to access their holy places I would be all for it, and probably everyone else who is now against giving Jews the right to pray on the Temple Mount (apart from the Rabbinate) would be for it too.

Giving equal rights to all religious groups to access their holy sites - good idea.
giving rights to only one religious group to access their holy sites - bad idea.

I don't think I have much more to add about this.

but there have been times in the past, since 70AD, that Jews prayed on the Temple Mount.

Jerusalem will be addressed in a meaningful and fair manner.

April 2016 .

Temple Institute claims it held secret Jewish wedding on Temple Mount

Organization aimed at establishing Third Temple says groom made wedding vows as one of the wedding's witnesses distracted police and Waqf; unusual event could reignite violence at the sensitive holy site and elsewhere.

Roi Yanovsky, Kobi Nachshoni|Published: 13.04.16

when I was in Israel last October. Tried to make the Western Wall part of the Al Asqa mosque compound until Ki-Moon had to rush to Israel to put a stop to that vote. This never ending nonsense is getting more repulsive every single time they try it and I get more disgusted with the UN every day. Shame on them.