Israel/Palestine

ericson00

(2,707 posts) Sat Jul 16, 2016, 03:25 AM Jul 2016

Whom Do Bigots Blame for Police Shootings in America? Israel, Of Course!

https://www.algemeiner.com/2016/07/13/alan-dershowitz-whom-do-bigots-blame-for-police-shootings-in-america-israel-of-course/

In response to the tragic deaths of Philando Castile and Alton Sterling at the hands of police officers in Minnesota and Louisiana, the New York University Chapter of the Students for Justice in Palestine (“SJP”) tweeted the following:

In the past 48 hours another two black men have been lynched by the police…. We must remember that many US police departments train with #IsraeliDefenceForces. The same forces behind the genocide of black people in America are behind the genocide of Palestinians. What this means is that Palestinians must stand with our black comrades. We must struggle for their liberation. It is as important as our own. #AltonSterling is as important as #AliDawabsheh. Palestinian liberation and black liberation go together. We must recognize this and commit to building for it.

Even in moments of national mourning such as these, SJP bigots cannot help but exploit the deaths of innocent Americans to further their own antisemitic political agenda, namely to delegitimize and demonize the nation state of the Jewish people.

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Whom Do Bigots Blame for Police Shootings in America? Israel, Of Course! (Original Post) ericson00 Jul 2016 OP

Pure antisemitism. It's always the Jews' fault. Everything is the Jews' fault. n/t shira Jul 2016 #1

Is the OP by Dershowitz as bad as usual or unusually bad? Little Tich Jul 2016 #2

Maybe you can find a Mondoweiss article that is more to your liking oberliner Jul 2016 #4

Mondoweiss Hamasbara blames Israel and the Jews too. shira Jul 2016 #5

Your trust in the infallibility of the Dersh is misguided. Little Tich Jul 2016 #6

Dersh has been a pro-choice pro-woman Democrat his entire political life; ericson00 Jul 2016 #7

The abuse excuse (Review of the book written by Alan Dershowitz) Little Tich Jul 2016 #8

That's it? Weak sauce. n/t shira Jul 2016 #12

Read the book - I did, and it was an eye opener... Little Tich Jul 2016 #13

No comment was made in support of Dershowitz by me oberliner Jul 2016 #9

I thought your post was related to the OP in some way. Sorry. n/t Little Tich Jul 2016 #11

It is entirely related to the OP oberliner Jul 2016 #15

Your cherished Mondoweiss blamed the Jewish state for latest Black Lives Matter..... shira Jul 2016 #10

It's a bit troubling that the US and Israel cooperate on disseminating law enforcement methods, Little Tich Jul 2016 #14

U.s. decides to do x. So blame Israel 6chars Jul 2016 #16

The only one who blames Israel for police shootings in the US is Dershowitz. Little Tich Jul 2016 #17

You know full well Mondoweiss blamed Israel too, so why pretend it's just Dersh? shira Jul 2016 #18

The MW article is connecting the dots, which is hardly blaming Israel for the shootings. Little Tich Jul 2016 #20

How utterly disingenuous. It's blaming Israel & Jews by "connecting the dots". shira Jul 2016 #21

WTF? shenmue Jul 2016 #3

Exposed: Years-long effort to blame Israel for U.S. police shootings of blacks shira Jul 2016 #19

shira

(30,109 posts)

1. Pure antisemitism. It's always the Jews' fault. Everything is the Jews' fault. n/t

Reply to ericson00 (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 06:25 AM

Jul 2016

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)

2. Is the OP by Dershowitz as bad as usual or unusually bad?

Reply to ericson00 (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 06:55 AM

Jul 2016

I can't decide which.

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

4. Maybe you can find a Mondoweiss article that is more to your liking

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:29 AM

Jul 2016

They must have some good coverage addressing the antisemitic undercurrents within the BDS movement.

shira

(30,109 posts)

5. Mondoweiss Hamasbara blames Israel and the Jews too.

Reply to oberliner (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:04 AM

Jul 2016

I feel like I have to shower after going to Mondoweiss.

It's like Hamas HQ, but in English.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)

6. Your trust in the infallibility of the Dersh is misguided.

Reply to oberliner (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 11:28 AM

Jul 2016

At best intersectionality is a very vague concept, and I can also imagine that Dershy opposes all forms of feminist thought for purely personal reasons, but I'm not sure if he actually knows what intersectionality means. While I utterly despise Dershowitz, and consider everything he says and writes 100% fallacious, this OP is really weak and more like a word salad than anything else.

ericson00

(2,707 posts)

7. Dersh has been a pro-choice pro-woman Democrat his entire political life;

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 11:38 AM

Jul 2016

he's simply against the hypocrisy apologists for the Palestinians exercise when they favor a regressive and repressive society over a liberal democratic one. I don't know where you just invent that he MUST be "against feminist thought."

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)

8. The abuse excuse (Review of the book written by Alan Dershowitz)

Reply to ericson00 (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 12:26 PM

Jul 2016

Source: A Voice for Men, March 20, 2012

Due to the undeniable role that they play in perpetuating the abuses of Family Courts (as well as the existence of Gloria Allred), precious few MRA’s would be willing to consider anybody bearing the title of “lawyer” as an ally to the cause. There is, however, one law professor from Harvard who, whether by accident or design, has contributed invaluable material to the Men’s Rights Movement. The name of that man is Alan Dershowitz.

Dershowitz is popular with most liberals, but very unpopular with feminists. For one thing, he destroyed Andrea Dworkin in a debate over pornography. For another, he has mastered the art of logic better than nearly any other man alive. As such, one of his books, I think, should be required reading for anybody willing to participate in the MRM in a capacity greater than that of an observer. I picked it up three years ago and it changed my life. The name of that book is The Abuse Excuse: And other Cop-Outs, Sob Stories, and Evasions of Responsibility.

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Dershowitz seems to delight in debunking feminist arguments or just arguments in general that spring from the notion of female entitlement. He also mentions an incident in which a police officer pulled a woman over, suspecting that she was driving while intoxicated. The woman proceeded to assault the policeman, saying: “You can’t fucking do this to me! I’m a doctor, goddammit!” She was, of course, instantly arrested and subjected to a sobriety test, which she failed. Her attorney defended her against the assault charges, saying that she was suffering from PMS at the time of the incident. Dershowitz, clever man that he is, pointed out that the judge accepting the PMS defense would also be obligated to revoke the woman’s medical license, since it would be an absolute disaster if she started exhibiting symptoms of PMS during an operation.

In what looks like a foreshadowing, Dershowitz also argues against expanding the definition of rape to include intoxication. He points out that, unless the drink was drugged or force-fed to the woman, it wasn’t rape, because while she may not have been in her normal state of mind, she chose to drink the alcohol and is therefore responsible for whatever she did while under its influence. Sadly, it doesn’t seem that Dershowitz convinced too many lawmakers.

The Abuse Excuse is the one book that, more than any other, shaped my critical thinking skills and made them as sharp as they are today. I think it should be required reading for all MRAs. If you haven’t yet read it, go to your local library and pick up a copy. If you can’t find a copy, order one from Amazon—it’s dirt cheap. It’s a bit outdated in terms of the cases it discusses (around a fifth of the chapters are devoted to the OJ Simpson case), but all of Dershowitz’ ideas are every bit as applicable today as they were when he wrote them. I don’t know if we can peg him fully as another Red Pill-taker, but he’s definitely not part of the Blue Pill crowd.

shira

(30,109 posts)

12. That's it? Weak sauce. n/t

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:44 PM

Jul 2016

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)

13. Read the book - I did, and it was an eye opener...

Reply to shira (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 10:51 PM

Jul 2016

Must admit though, that my reaction was the opposite of the review.

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

9. No comment was made in support of Dershowitz by me

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 01:03 PM

Jul 2016

I am merely suggesting that you find an author your respect who has written about this issue. I would assume you would find it troubling to see a statement of this sort from a group like this. Since Mondoweiss frequently writes about SJP, one would think there would be an article there commenting on this sort of thing. Or maybe you can find something from another site that you trust.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)

11. I thought your post was related to the OP in some way. Sorry. n/t

Reply to oberliner (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:08 PM

Jul 2016

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

15. It is entirely related to the OP

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:31 AM

Jul 2016

Did you read it?

Or just see the name of the author and make unrelated cracks about him?

shira

(30,109 posts)

10. Your cherished Mondoweiss blamed the Jewish state for latest Black Lives Matter.....

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 02:27 PM

Jul 2016

Dersh nailed it while you're in complete denial.
Blaming Jews for all ills in the world is straight up antisemitism.

So why is this relevant? Since 9/11, at least 300 high ranking US sheriffs and police, FBI, US Customs and Border Protection agents have traveled to Israel to learn through the military justice system how to subdue a population under the guise of fighting terrorism. The focus is on paramilitary and counterinsurgency tactics. Thousands of US police have been trained in Israeli police and military units and it has been reported that the New York City Police Department has opened a branch in Tel Aviv. These efforts have been organized and funded by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the American Jewish Committee’s Project Interchange, and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

It is not an accident that equipment frequently used by the Israeli military for (read Palestinian) crowd control, such as tear gas grenades, triple chaser gas canisters, stun grenades and LRAD (long-range acoustic devices), are now part of the US police force armamentarium. This was all exacerbated when the Pentagon and Home Land Security offered surplus military grade equipment to local law enforcement as well. While the carnage in our cities is certainly related to our own history of slavery and modern day racism and lack of gun control, and a host of societal forces, having a police force influenced and trained by an occupying military force that sees another group of brown people (Arabs) as the enemy has certainly heightened the issue. The Israelis have exported their arms, homeland security, and policing “expertise” to places like India, Canada, and China, but the US has as always been their best customer; the parallels between white racism and Jewish supremacy flourish here and abroad.

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/modern-lynchings-international/#sthash.tbkZnHFq.dpuf

I'd be impressed if you'd do the right thing and condemn Mondoweiss for their bigotry.
Blaming Israel for this is like blaming Japan for anyone killed by a Karate move.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)

14. It's a bit troubling that the US and Israel cooperate on disseminating law enforcement methods,

Reply to shira (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 11:19 PM

Jul 2016

especially when the US police are getting their hands on military equipment.

Do we really want the rules and equipment that are used for policing Palestinians to be used for policing American citizens?

6chars

(3,967 posts)

16. U.s. decides to do x. So blame Israel

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 07:32 AM

Jul 2016

If you don't like u.s. decisions blame u.s. leaders.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)

17. The only one who blames Israel for police shootings in the US is Dershowitz.

Reply to 6chars (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 08:21 PM

Jul 2016

Read the OP, check the evidence.

Derpy Dersh made a dodo (again).

shira

(30,109 posts)

18. You know full well Mondoweiss blamed Israel too, so why pretend it's just Dersh?

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:56 AM

Jul 2016

You replied to my #10 above already.

Did you "forget"?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)

20. The MW article is connecting the dots, which is hardly blaming Israel for the shootings.

Reply to shira (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:06 PM

Jul 2016

From the MW article:

This is clearly about racism and politics, the failures of our mental health and prison systems which unfortunately are often one and the same or at least cover for each other’s inadequacies. This is about the school to prison pipeline, our failed educational systems, and lack of opportunity for the have nots in our society. This is about the power of the gun lobbies, social stereotypes, economic injustice, and a failed “war on drugs”. It is about white police men who see black people as inherently dangerous and threatening and who act out of fear, revenge, incitement; who see their jobs less as protecting the public and de-escalating dangerous situations and more as an occupying force in our cities, particularly our ghettos and poorer neighborhoods of color. By frequently demonizing the victim and engaging in a virtual Blue code of silence, this is also about white supremacy in our country.

shira

(30,109 posts)

21. How utterly disingenuous. It's blaming Israel & Jews by "connecting the dots".

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 20, 2016, 05:17 AM

Jul 2016

BDS has never been about anything other than Jew hate and hijacking BLM in order to attack Israel is just more proof the anti-Israel movement is racist to the core.

NYU Students for Justice in Palestine
July 7 at 1:23pm ·
In the past 48 hours another two black men have been lynched by the police. The total number of black people lynched by cops in 2016 now totals 136. We must remember that many US police departments train with the ‪#‎IsraeliDefenseForces‬. The same forces behind the genocide of black people in America are behind the genocide of Palestinians. What this means is that Palestinians must stand with our black comrades. We must struggle for their liberation. It is as important as our own. ‪#‎AltonSterling‬ is as important as ‪#‎AliDawabsheh‬. Palestinian liberation and black liberation go together. We must recognize this and commit to building for it.
‪#‎BlackLivesMatter‬ ‪#‎PhilandoCastile‬ ‪#‎NoJusticeNoPeace‬ ‪#‎FromBatonRougeToGaza‬ ‪#‎PalestiniansForBlackLiberation‬

All the information is out there w/simple search. israeli occupation is complicit in killing blacks in #USA. #BLM
https://twitter.com/Resistance48/status/751122805614190592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

American police trained by expert israeli occupation murderers to kill black people in #USA. #BlackLivesMatter #BLM
https://twitter.com/Resistance48/status/751092631409725440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Rania Khalek
Is that why the ADL keeps taking US cops to Israel? So they can learn about justice and fair treatment for all?

shu-shu ‏@Vxwxg33ZsGp6i6I Jul 7
@RaniaKhalek One world Police force so all Goy will be shot manhandled raped or what ever police feel like doing in the name of justice

California, USA
"Who better to learn from..state w/decades of experience occupying..warehousing a population..deemed disposable?"@RaniaKhalek
https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/751221823329669120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The cops that look like marines in #Ferguson (St. Louis County Police) received training in Israel

@RaniaKhalek @michaelterry337 It totally looks like Israeli Soldiers attacking Palestinians in the West Bank.

@RaniaKhalek : Finally said out loud. #Ferguson looks like #Gaza because the training is from #Israel. And Israel is now a #fascist state.

@RaniaKhalek Great Israel trained zombie police . . .

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/501219166142337024

shenmue

(38,537 posts)

3. WTF?

Reply to ericson00 (Original post)

Sat Jul 16, 2016, 07:29 AM

Jul 2016

shira

(30,109 posts)

19. Exposed: Years-long effort to blame Israel for U.S. police shootings of blacks

Reply to ericson00 (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 08:16 PM

Jul 2016

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/07/exposed-years-long-effort-to-blame-israel-for-u-s-police-shootings-of-blacks/

This article is a tour de force showing how many years back these idiotic bigoted claims go.

As if blaming Israel and the Jews for BLM in America will solve anything at all. Fucking Morons....

This stupidity goes to show why and how certain nations of the past have historically fallen due to Jew hatred which leads bigots into making very dumb policy decisions that do absolutely nothing to address societal needs. Blaming Jews for BLM will do zero for race relations in the USA. Talk about Jew hatred rotting the brain....it's deja-vu all over again.

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