Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumProtesters torch Israeli flag outside Democratic National Convention
http://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Protester-torch-Israeli-flag-outside-Democratic-National-Convention-462504Wall Street Journal reporter Byron Tau tweeted images from the scene along with video of the demonstrators igniting a number of pro-Bernie Sanders posters placed on the fence outside the convention venue at the the Wells Fargo Center.
Scapegoating, anyone?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Who else has been written into the script of who we as Americans must worship? And are we expected to be as Isaac- and be willing to sacrifice our sons?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Fuck them!
ericson00
(2,707 posts)burned Palestinian flags, I bet we'd hear cries of "Islamophobia," "imperialism," "racism," yada yada yada.
These crazies also burned American flags too. Anti-Israelism and anti-Americanism have a lot of "intersectionality," if you will.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)other rights to employ it to the end.
So what about my other questions? Who/what else is scared and who am I expected to put up for sacrifice to them?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Or just Israel's?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)is what I'll defend forever. Or is the 1st Amendment the first thing we throw out as a requirement of worshiping our new Gods?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's just common courtesy not to set fire to the flag of another country.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Somehow I don't think there would be the same number of objections to an American burning a North Korean, Chinese or Russian flag. Do you?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And people have a right to be pissed off about it.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)And people defending the shutting down of the employment of the First Amendment of our American Constitution is pretty damn scary in itself.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Jewish neighborhood the people who were upset about it don't give a shit about the first amendment? You seem to confuse the fact that people have the right to say something means they get a free ride on the consequences of that speech. A lot of people who don't actually understand the amendment make the same mistake. Absolutely NOBODY is saying they didnt' have the right to burn the flag - we're saying they were fucking imbeciles for doing so.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)burning flags is not a civil act.
the countries you mention are also not allies of the US, nor do Americans like those countries and none of them is rated "Free" by Freedom House.
Also, you don't see anyone here burn those flags much despite that they're all US adversaries. Let alone as some kind of statement at a political convention.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)This is a privately owned site and the owners here can shut down what they want as has been clearly displayed.
The exercising of the 1st amendment many not be a civil act, but it is THE first tenet of our Constitution. Are you ready to throw out our Constitution or just certain rights?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)There is NOBODY on this thread calling for arresting these people. They get to burn the flag and I get to call them imbeciles. That amendment works both ways.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)But in your haste to make hateful personal comments- I suppose you overlooked that little fact.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)You're all over this thread whining about how anyone who is complaining (in other words, using our first amendment rights) about flag burning hates the constitution. You seem to be under the delusion there are zero consequences to free speech and it's making you look very foolish.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and just make you look like you're losing the discussion. I'm done here.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)You have a nice day now.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Fozzledick
(3,890 posts)I don't see anyone here demanding that they be arrested, just criticizing them for their hatred and malice.
Do you have a problem with posters here expressing their opinions?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Care to answer my questions? Didn't think so- or you would not have deflected.
aranthus
(3,386 posts)By raising the false issue of the 1st Amendment, when no one has challenged their 1st Amendment rights. Then you ask a false and misleading question: " Are Americans now required to have reverence to that particular foreign nation's flag?" Because no one has said that people should have reverence for the Israeli flag. So the obvious answer to your question is "No." The rest of your questions are equally false and clearly deflections of the thread. Why are you so passionate about changing the subject? You say you may not agree with what people do, but you will defend their right to speak. Great. Why then are you stomping on the people on this thread who are exercising their right to speak in criticism of those who burn the Israeli flag? More to the point, do you in fact agree with those who burned the Israeli flag? It looks like you do, and that is why you are so desperately trying to change the subject.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)And when people began commenting (because the OP posted the article with no comment) negatively with replies such as "fuck them!", I brought up the Constitution and the 1st Amendment.
And I never claimed that anyone was calling for anyone's arrest over this. But I find it ironic how people who have adopted the "Progressive Democrat" label for themselves are so damn eager to put others down for exercising their 1st Amendment right. Is this the new definition of what a "Progressive Democrat now is? Cause it sounds pretty GOP to me.
aranthus
(3,386 posts)I did answer your first question. The answer was "No." Your other questions were equally false. They assumed facts that are blatantly untrue. Let's look at your other questions.
First: "Who else has been written into the script of who we as Americans must worship?" Everyone can see that your question assumes that Israel has been written into a script of who we are to worship. Except when you wrote that you told a big fat lie. No one has been written into a script that Americans are supposed to worship. So the answer to your dishonest question is, "No one. And no one at all has been written into a script that Americans should worship.
Second: "And are we expected to be as Isaac- and be willing to sacrifice our sons?" No. No one is asking anyone to sacrifice their sons for anything. You made that up. More lies from you.
What is troubling is that the questions you ask reek of antisemitism. All anyone here has done is criticize the hatefulness of people who burned the Israeli flag and shouted "F*** Hillary," They spoke out for common decency, and you are by implication accusing them of "worshiping" Israel, and wanting to sacrifice Americans for Israel. The lies assumed by your questions are antisemitism.
So now I have answered your questions. Will you answer mine? I'll ask again. Do you agree with those who burned the Israeli flag? Do you agree with those who shouted "F*** Hillary?"
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)aranthus
(3,386 posts)You asked BS questions. A BS question is one that assumes a false fact as part of the question (a good example is found in "My Cousin Vinnie" . Your questions assumed things that were lies, as I have already pointed out. And now twice you have refused to answer my sincere questions. Oh well; no one can say I didn't give you a chance.
harrose
(380 posts)... and we certainly have the right to criticize them.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I certainly expressed myself and look at the shit I get from you people for it. I guess it's a different set of rules I must follow, huh?
King_David
(14,851 posts)I wouldn't share my party with them ... Big tent ? Anyone chanting F--- Hillary doesn't deserve a chance.
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grossproffit
(5,591 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)I was with her. This kind of thing has zero business in voters of a candidate of a mainstream party. Ever.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)It makes no difference who the president is, it has no effect on their lives.
Doodley
(10,394 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)And while I firmly support the First Amendment right to burn whatever you want, I don't want those people in the Democratic Party.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Even though it's considered protected speech, it's still a shitty thing to do.