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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 12:29 AM Oct 2016

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Israeli

(4,300 posts)
1. That's a very good article Little Tich....
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 03:26 AM
Oct 2016

....thanks for posting it .

So true .....

“The great victorious war of 1967 had an impact that is eating us from the inside,” he told me. “I would be more than happy to get out of the West Bank and East Jerusalem and build a country with a morality I believe in. I will fight for peace, but I will not fight to maintain the status quo.” He described feeling more and more confined, living in “smaller and smaller areas where I find people who think like me,” and feeling a stranger in the Jerusalem where he grew up.


Very very depressing .....but very true.

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DetlefK

(16,455 posts)
2. Israel has maneuvered itself into a dead-end. All remaining options for Israel's future are horrible
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 03:58 AM
Oct 2016

Open-ended military occupation?
There already is the BDS-movement. If Israel keeps going, it will lose more and more foreign support and sympathy.

Two-State-solution?
Not feasible unless both sides are happy with the deal. And that won't happen. The Westbank-settlers are religious extremists. And the Palestinians want their land back as a matter of principle.

One-State-solution?
I wondered why Israel wouldn't just agree to a One-State-solution... Until I read that the Palestinian Authority dedicated a school to the planner of the 1972 terror-attack on the jewish athletes at the Olympic Games in Munich. There is no peaceful coexistence with such people.

I think, what Netanyahu is doing right now is making life as bad as possible for the Palestinians to force them to emigrate. That's why they keep building illegal settlements in the Westbank: encourage "self-deportation".
Like the great Humungus in Mad Max II said: "Go away. Just go away."
It's a desperate plan, no better than any other and bad in its own right.





In hindsight, that problem should have been solved at the very beginning, when Israel was founded. Not decades later. Now it's too late.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
3. The Clinton Plan of 2000 could still be offered. Settlements took up < 2% of land....
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 04:35 AM
Oct 2016

...badk in 2000 and they still take up < 2% of W.Bank land today. This notion that settlements are expanding to such an extent as to make 2 states impossible is fiction.

If the Palestinians accepted the Clinton Plan like Israel did back in 2000 and were genuine about peace, Israelis would overwhelmingly be for it too. Unfortunately, the PA/Hamas do not and have never wanted their own state alongside a Jewish one, as the PA battle against Balfour for the next year proves.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
4. How is it possible that the word "terror" isn't mentioned once in this NYT article?
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:29 AM
Oct 2016

Last edited Sat Oct 29, 2016, 12:12 PM - Edit history (1)

Might that be a reason Israelis refuse trading land for more violence & war?

Gee, I wonder...

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
5. Why no mention of Palestinians
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 11:05 AM
Oct 2016

except as objects of Israeli wrong doing? Also in the comments so far.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
6. The blindness appears intentional. Amateur, useless journalism lacking analysis. n/t
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 11:11 AM
Oct 2016

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shira

(30,109 posts)
9. Ignoring non-stop Palestinian terror vs. Israelis is vile.
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 07:15 AM
Oct 2016

Last edited Sun Oct 30, 2016, 04:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Terror is the major reason there's not 2 states now.

Intifada 2 (2000-01).
Thousands dead when Israel had just offered the Palestinians their own state, free of occupation & settlements with half of Jerusalem.

Gaza pullout (2005).
Tens of thousands of rockets since.

Abbas' Stabbing Intifada (2015).
This time, E. Jerusalem Palestinians within Israel doing the attacks.

Do you think it's funny pretending terror & Palestinian hostility towards the existence of any Jewish state plays no part in the absence of a 2 state solution? Israel cannot make peace because it has no partner willing to call off terror attacks & make peace with the Jewish state.





Response to shira (Reply #9)

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
12. It's much easier to move people than their beliefs. n/t
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 08:52 PM
Oct 2016

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shira

(30,109 posts)
14. You mean when the PA/Hamas stop terror & accept a Jewish state?
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 09:20 PM
Oct 2016

You think that'll happen?

Response to shira (Reply #14)

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
16. Delusional. You really don't know a thing about I/P or pretend not to.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:42 AM
Oct 2016

There's no chance the PA/Hamas turn into decent folk who will stop inciting/killing Jews & recognize a Jewish state.

You won't even recognize a Jewish state, so what makes you think they will? The BDS you support justifies terror and mass murder of Jews, making you part of an odious problem you think is just some temporary insignificant snag (that goes back a century well before the occupation) that will just magically disappear.

Who do you think you're fooling?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
17. Palestinian terror dates back to the 1920's. It's not a "temporary snag".
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:44 AM
Oct 2016

Ignoring, denying, or minimizing PA/Hamas genocidal intent towards Jews is basically another form of Holocaust denial.

But that's BDS, isn't it? Justifying & supporting terror as well...

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
10. Thanks for making my point. n/t
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 12:05 PM
Oct 2016
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