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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 09:58 AM Dec 2016

With US abstention, Israel again forced to face reality of worlds rejection of settlements

http://www.jta.org/2016/12/27/news-opinion/united-states/with-us-abstention-israel-again-forced-to-face-reality-of-worlds-rejection-of-settlements

For 24 years, the United States under Presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama insulated Israel from an international community that since 1967 has sought to exact consequences for its continued presence in disputed lands. After the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993, those three administrations considered the isolation of the Jewish state at the United Nations to be counterproductive to encouraging Israel to take bold steps for peace.

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But with a couple of notable exceptions – Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s pullout from Gaza and a patch of the West Bank in 2005, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s 2010 settlement freeze – Israeli settlement expansion continued unabated in that period, despite widening cooperation between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. By 2004, George W. Bush had effectively recognized the large settlement blocs bordering 1967 Israel as “realities on the ground” and suggested that the Palestinians would be compensated for the territory with land swaps.

Obama’s apparent message to the world on Friday is that incentives did not work in slowing settlement expansion. The carrot having wilted, the president reintroduced the stick.

Obama administration officials have said plainly that the expansion of settlements absent a peace process led to the decision to abstain. Samantha Power, the U.S. envoy to the United Nations, in her explanation of the abstention, listed the considerations that made the administration hesitate to allow the resolution – chief among them the historic anti-Israel bias at the United Nations and Palestinian intransigence. But she also noted that since the Oslo Accords, the settler population has increased by 355,000.

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As much as the language in the resolution has stirred cries of “unprecedented” in Israel and in some pro-Israel precincts in the United States, it is broadly consistent with resolutions that the United States allowed from 1967 at least through the end of Jimmy Carter’s presidency in January 1981.

Last week’s resolution reaffirmed “that the establishment by Israel of settlements in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, has no legal validity,” and constituted a “flagrant violation” of international law. Resolution 465, passed in March 1980 under Carter with a U.S. vote in favor, determined that “all measures” that would change the physical or demographic character of the occupied lands, including Jerusalem, “have no legal validity” and are a “flagrant violation” of the Fourth Geneva Convention. It further called on countries to “distinguish” between Israel and the West Bank.

Under the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, the council did not explicitly reject settlements as illegal, but referred to earlier resolutions that did so while continuing to assail the occupation as untenable. Resolution 605, passed under Reagan with a U.S. abstention in 1987, “recalled” Resolution 465 passed under Carter and said the council was “gravely concerned and alarmed by the deterioration” in the territories. Under George H.W. Bush, Security Council resolutions consistently decried the “deteriorating” situation and admonished Israel for its “violation” of Geneva conventions.



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With US abstention, Israel again forced to face reality of worlds rejection of settlements (Original Post) geek tragedy Dec 2016 OP
Trump and Congress oberliner Dec 2016 #1
The problem isn't the UN, it's that the vast majority of the planet geek tragedy Dec 2016 #2
The settlers are a barrier to peace oberliner Dec 2016 #3
Does that latter group include New Zealand, France and the UK? nt geek tragedy Dec 2016 #4
Nope oberliner Dec 2016 #5
The Resolution removes the excuse that settlements can continue to be built no_hypocrisy Dec 2016 #6
That excuse was never given oberliner Dec 2016 #7
The world doesn't reject settlements in Crimea, Cyprus, W.Sahara.... shira Dec 2016 #8
I know why, too. grossproffit Dec 2016 #9
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. Trump and Congress
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 10:04 AM
Dec 2016
Graham: Defund UN after Israeli settlement vote

Sen. Lindsey Graham will propose a measure to pull US funding for the United Nations unless the UN Security Council repeals the resolution it passed condemning Israeli settlements.

"It's that important to me," he told CNN. "This is a road we haven't gone down before. If you can't show the American people that international organizations can be more responsible, there is going to be a break. And I am going to lead that break."

"I will do everything in my power, working with the new administration and Congress, to leave no doubt about where America stands when it comes to the peace process and where we stand with the only true democracy in the Middle East, Israel," Graham added. He later told CNN's Dana Bash that US funding accounts for 22% of the UN's budget.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/24/politics/lindsey-graham-united-nations/
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. The problem isn't the UN, it's that the vast majority of the planet
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 10:12 AM
Dec 2016

continues to reject the settlements as illegal and a barrier to peace.

Most members of Congress just wish the Palestinians would disappear. Congress is a radical outlier, as is their incoming pharaoh.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. The settlers are a barrier to peace
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 10:19 AM
Dec 2016

So is the fact that much of the world does not think Israel should exist at all and that Jews should leave the region entirely.

There are a lot of barriers to peace.

Just as many members of Congress wish the Palestinians would disappear, so, too, do many member states of the UN wish that Israeli Jews would disappear.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. Nope
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 10:25 AM
Dec 2016

Those states would like to see two-states living side by side at peace with one another, which is also what a lot of members of Congress want (and which is what I support, as well).

I am talking about, for example, the 30 member states of the UN that do not recognize that Israel exists.

no_hypocrisy

(48,628 posts)
6. The Resolution removes the excuse that settlements can continue to be built
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 11:21 AM
Dec 2016

because "nobody said we couldn't".

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
8. The world doesn't reject settlements in Crimea, Cyprus, W.Sahara....
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:42 PM
Dec 2016

...so why does it only reject Israeli settlements for Jews who prefer to live within what is without question their ancestral homeland?

We know why.

It's the same reason no Jews are allowed to live in the W.Bank or Gaza.

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