Israel/Palestine

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts) Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:22 PM Dec 2016

We dont need this America, deputy minister says after UN vote, Kerry speech

http://www.timesofisrael.com/we-dont-need-this-america-deputy-minister-says-after-un-vote-kerry-speech/

“Kerry’s speech was very disturbing for so many reasons,” Oren told The Times of Israel. “It is disturbing that this is the point to which US foreign policy has fallen. It’s sad, tragic and dangerous. We don’t need this relationship. We don’t need this America.”

He elaborated: “The US-Israel relationship is vital for us, for the region and I believe for the world, but we need an America whose strength and commitment to its allies is unquestioned.”

They don't value our friendship, they value our unquestioning servitude.

Trump will be the most popular US President ever in Israel. Meanwhile, they view Barack Obama as an enemy.

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We dont need this America, deputy minister says after UN vote, Kerry speech (Original Post) geek tragedy Dec 2016 OP

Poll: Israelis strongly favor Clinton over Trump oberliner Dec 2016 #1

That will change very quickly. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #3

The poll was taken only two months ago oberliner Dec 2016 #7

They also value the money we send them every single year. n/t Chemisse Dec 2016 #2

Netanyahu is out of control. If they are that concerned about the relationship, then perhaps they still_one Dec 2016 #4

This is Michael Oren, from the "moderate" Kulanu geek tragedy Dec 2016 #5

There are those who are not happy with what the Netanyahu government has been doing still_one Dec 2016 #6

Your second sentence is a lie oberliner Dec 2016 #8

Bullshit. This has basically been US policy for how many presidents.. at least 3.. more? pangaia Dec 2016 #9

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

1. Poll: Israelis strongly favor Clinton over Trump

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:23 PM

Dec 2016

Almost twice as many Israelis prefer Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump, bucking the recent trend of Republican presidential candidates winning more support than Democrats, according to a new poll.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/21/politics/israel-poll-trump-clinton/

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

3. That will change very quickly.

Reply to oberliner (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:33 PM

Dec 2016

Democrats are the ones who believe they need to reach a settlement with the Palestinians. They don't want to hear that any more.

Democrats who want to maintain their good standing as accepted friends of Israel will have no choice but to get on the Trump Train as far as Palestine is concerned.

Concerns about Trump's alt-right followers will quickly dissipate as he starts writing diplomatic blank checks.

oberliner

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7. The poll was taken only two months ago

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:52 PM

Dec 2016

And it won't change, because no one is going to be polling Hillary vs. Trump anymore.

Incidentally, a recent poll indicated the favorite US President of Israelis is Bill Clinton.

Chemisse

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2. They also value the money we send them every single year. n/t

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:33 PM

Dec 2016

still_one

(96,316 posts)

4. Netanyahu is out of control. If they are that concerned about the relationship, then perhaps they

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:38 PM

Dec 2016

should do some self-reflection, because Netanyahu's arrogance has done tremendous damage to Israel, and it will get worse if this continues

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

5. This is Michael Oren, from the "moderate" Kulanu

Reply to still_one (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:41 PM

Dec 2016

party.

Everyone in Israeli politics aside from Meretz and Joint List are vehemently denouncing Kerry and Obama now.

still_one

(96,316 posts)

6. There are those who are not happy with what the Netanyahu government has been doing

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:50 PM

Dec 2016

Former Minister Avi Gabai just joined the Labor Party to embark on a path to try and repair the damage Netanyahu has been doing to their country

A good number of American Jews are NOT pleased at all with what Netanyahu is doing to Israel.

I am one of them

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

8. Your second sentence is a lie

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:53 PM

Dec 2016

As I just demonstrated by sharing this tweet with you:

@HerzogMK Dec 28
John Kerry has always been a great friend of Israel and will always be. His speech expresses true concerns about Israels wellbeing & future.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)

9. Bullshit. This has basically been US policy for how many presidents.. at least 3.. more?

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 07:45 PM

Dec 2016

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