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Related: About this forumYes to the Occupation, No to the Settlements
As long as Israel proves its willingness to divide the land, a military occupation is justified until the other side proves the same.
Einat Wilf Dec 31, 2016 8:07 AM
...This is the moment for anyone who wants to lead Israel, now or in the future, to draw a map, not mumble something about two states, settlement blocs, the separation barrier or the 1967 lines with adjustments. Rather, we need a clear map showing Israel's eastern border and the limits of its territorial demands. West of the border will include annexed land where full citizenship is granted. To the east we need a policy of yes to the occupation, no to the settlements.
Anyone who publishes such a map must declare that the Jewish people and the State of Israel have a historical, legal and emotional right to the entire land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, but this right is not supreme and exclusive.
It must be made clear that the Zionist movement recognizes the existence of another people that also views the land as its homeland. It has a right to this land, so we are willing to limit the fulfillment of our right to this territory. It must be stressed that the Zionist movement expects that at some stage the other side must also limit the fulfillment of its right to the land, and that this right is not supreme or exclusive either.
The Arab Palestinian people must eventually lay down their arms against the Zionist movement, and in doing so recognize that the Jewish people have a right to a homeland in the Land of Israel. The Palestinians must therefore put limits on their demands for return or any other demand whose meaning is Greater Palestine. Until this stage, Israel will continue to militarily hold territory east of the border...
Einat Wilf Dec 31, 2016 8:07 AM
...This is the moment for anyone who wants to lead Israel, now or in the future, to draw a map, not mumble something about two states, settlement blocs, the separation barrier or the 1967 lines with adjustments. Rather, we need a clear map showing Israel's eastern border and the limits of its territorial demands. West of the border will include annexed land where full citizenship is granted. To the east we need a policy of yes to the occupation, no to the settlements.
Anyone who publishes such a map must declare that the Jewish people and the State of Israel have a historical, legal and emotional right to the entire land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, but this right is not supreme and exclusive.
It must be made clear that the Zionist movement recognizes the existence of another people that also views the land as its homeland. It has a right to this land, so we are willing to limit the fulfillment of our right to this territory. It must be stressed that the Zionist movement expects that at some stage the other side must also limit the fulfillment of its right to the land, and that this right is not supreme or exclusive either.
The Arab Palestinian people must eventually lay down their arms against the Zionist movement, and in doing so recognize that the Jewish people have a right to a homeland in the Land of Israel. The Palestinians must therefore put limits on their demands for return or any other demand whose meaning is Greater Palestine. Until this stage, Israel will continue to militarily hold territory east of the border...
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Yes to the Occupation, No to the Settlements (Original Post)
shira
Jan 2017
OP
shira
(30,109 posts)1. more from OP...
...Along with "Yes occupation" policy we shall declare "no settlement". The military occupation east of our border can be justified - the continuation of settlements cannot. There is no need for resolution 2334 of the Security Council to understand it. Willingness to divide the country and recognition of the right of another nation for the country cannot coexist with settlement enterprise. The no to settlements must be unambiguous. There is no need to evacuate them, and no place for evacuate-compensate plans. There is need to economically drain the settlements beyond the border and deprive them of support. Whoever wants to live in these areas will do so without the support and protection of Israel...
....It is a return to the basic principles of Zionism, of people taking responsibility for their fate, without waiting for Messiah or G-d that will solve their problems. This is the realization of the Zionist tradition, of combining exciting vision and practical policy which works by the ancient Talmudic wisdom: grasp all, lose all.
....It is a return to the basic principles of Zionism, of people taking responsibility for their fate, without waiting for Messiah or G-d that will solve their problems. This is the realization of the Zionist tradition, of combining exciting vision and practical policy which works by the ancient Talmudic wisdom: grasp all, lose all.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)2. The Geneva Initiative has such a map
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shira
(30,109 posts)4. Yep, until the PA shows they want peace, 2 states for 2 people.
Life moves on.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)5. Oh, what bullshit
"must declare that the Jewish people and the State of Israel have a historical, legal and emotional right to the entire land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River"
Um, no. You don't have a right to land because your ancestors lived there two thousand years ago. (And not all the occupants of ancient Israel/Judaea were part of the diaspora. A significant number remained, converting first to Christianity, under the Romans, and later to Islam. The descendants of those people are called "Palestinians". What of their "historical, legal and emotional rights"?)