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aranthus

(3,386 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:11 PM Jan 2020

Every Time Palestinians Say 'No,' They Lose

"Regarding President Trump’s peace plan for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the instant conventional wisdom is that it’s a geopolitical nonstarter, a gift to Benjamin Netanyahu and an electoral ploy by the president to win Jewish votes in Florida rather than Palestinian hearts in Ramallah."

"It may be all of those things. But nobody will benefit less from a curt dismissal of the plan than the Palestinians themselves, whose leaders are again letting history pass them by."


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/opinion/middle-east-peace-plan.html

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Every Time Palestinians Say 'No,' They Lose (Original Post) aranthus Jan 2020 OP
Every time they surrender Cartoonist Jan 2020 #1
No. That isn't the point. aranthus Jan 2020 #6
LOL Scurrilous Jan 2020 #2
And the Israelis will still be there. aranthus Jan 2020 #5
They can wait. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #7
For what? aranthus Jan 2020 #8
Whose plan? Putin's? Jared's? BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #3
What is the Palestinian Plan? aranthus Jan 2020 #4
The Palestinian response should have been sabbat hunter Jan 2020 #9
Instead there was the usual Igel Jan 2020 #10
Exactly! aranthus Jan 2020 #11
Its all about your elections and ours ...... Israeli Feb 2020 #12
You don't have a monopoly on caring. aranthus Feb 2020 #13
Sure I do ..... Israeli Feb 2020 #14
So anyone who places any responsibility on Palestinians hates them? aranthus Feb 2020 #15
Only time I get emotional discussing our politics .... Israeli Feb 2020 #16

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
6. No. That isn't the point.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 01:41 AM
Jan 2020

Last edited Fri Jan 31, 2020, 09:29 AM - Edit history (1)

The point is that the Palestinians have rejected every plan for almost one hundred years, and they haven't presented a reasonable plan of their own. That's not negotiating in good faith is it? This plan is what the Palestinians get for not negotiating in good faith. If they want to break the cycle of losing by saying no, then they need to come up with some response other than no. Don't say yes to this plan, but at least say something more constructive than just no.

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
5. And the Israelis will still be there.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 01:39 AM
Jan 2020

Do you think any US President will be able to push the Israelis to give up more if the Palestinians won't give up Right of Return?

Israeli

(4,285 posts)
12. Its all about your elections and ours ......
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 02:39 PM
Feb 2020

Trump and Bibi don't give a damn about the Palestinians …….and neither do you , do you ?

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
13. You don't have a monopoly on caring.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 07:20 PM
Feb 2020

Just because I think that the Palestinians are more in the wrong, and haven't negotiated in good faith does not mean that I don't care about them. Do you really think that the Palestinian break off of relations helps them?

Yes, the Plan is in part about the elections, but not nearly all about them. Even so, the point is how the Palestinians continue to screw themselves with complete rejectionism. If this proposal isn't acceptable *(and I agree that it is not), then where is the Palestinian proposal?

Israeli

(4,285 posts)
14. Sure I do .....
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 09:53 AM
Feb 2020

............….over yours any day .
I was born here …….my kids and grandchildren were born here .
We have served in the IDF for generations …….where do you get your hatred of the Palestinians from ???
My family have more reasons to hate them than you will ever have .
They are not our enemy ….my enemy is the religious right wing both mine and yours , led by Bibi and
Donald Trump .

The Palestinians deserve their own country with East Jerusalem as its capital .
Until they have that there will never be Peace .

This latest peace plan is a joke and an insult and if I was a Palestinian I would reject it too .

aranthus

(3,386 posts)
15. So anyone who places any responsibility on Palestinians hates them?
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 10:41 AM
Feb 2020

And here I thought I was treating them as equals.

Of course the Palestinians deserve their own country. You have never read anything from me that says otherwise. And if you had actually read the article I posted or any of my subsequent responses on this thread, instead of going off emotionally, you'd know that I don't think the Plan is acceptable. In fact I think it was intended to not be acceptable. What the article and I find problematic is that the Palestinians always reject and then don't propose any plan of their own. That's what they've done in this case, and it's a losing strategy.

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