......you could not have chosen a bigger joke to us on the Left of Israeli politics Mosby …..well done

And here is what we think of him :

Before going into the details of the interview, one has to mention the interviewer. He is Benny Morris, the former "new historian", who in one easy jump has turned from the idol of the left into the darling of the right, redeeming himself from the stigma of being a "post-Zionist".

It was a clever choice on Barak's part. Morris conducts the interview as a sycophantic devotee, accepting unquestioningly Barak's most hair-raising statements (such as the above) and refraining from asking any embarrassing questions, obvious as they might appear.
Morris has been accused in the past of being a "revisionist" of Zionist history, because of his book revealing how the Palestinian refugees were driven out in 1948. It is rather hilarious to perceive how, in this interview, he freely levels the accusation of "revisionism" at anyone who dares to doubt Barak's assertions.

Barak does not expose himself to the questioning of a real, investigative journalist, like Deborah Sontag of The New York Times, nor does he confront an objective eye-witness, like Robert Malley, President Clinton's assistant at Camp David. These are two of the "revisionists" who evoked the ire of the Barak-Morris team, as well as that of Clinton, who - Barak recounts - called him in Sardinia to rave at Sontag's excellent and well-researched article about Camp David. "What the hell is this?" Clinton demanded, according to Barak.

I get that you don't like him. I wouldn't expect that you would. How is he wrong? In particular, how is he wrong that the Palestinians don't want to share Palestine with the Jews (that means allowing a Jewish majority state in some part of Palestine). They continue to demand right of return, and how is that consistent with the continuance of a Jewish majority state?

…..met him a few times , he used to live on a kibbutz not far from mine .

I would suggest you go read up more on him …...try here for a start :

https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/11/14/benny-morriss-untenable-denial-of-the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine/

wants to wipe Israel off the map.

Would you care to prove that to me ??

Here is my problem …..I cannot post links or info in Hebrew from Israeli Left wing sites
because this is an international forum and tho you might be able to read Hebrew the
majority im sure cannot .
I cannot post links to Haaretz , IMHO the best English newspaper we still have , because
its subscription only .

I found that link on Haaretz in Hebrew and followed it .
Never heard of Jeremy Hammond before then .

I know my own people sabbat hunter and I know who Benny Morris is and what he stands for .

but it matters that the unilateral declaration by the Zionists on May 14, 1948, had no legitimacy

….honestly cant see where he wants to wipe us off the map is legitimate .
Even if he did ,does , or whatever …...who cares ?
Like I said ….never heard of him before .
Nobody is going to wipe us off the map sabbat hunter...…..have some faith .

Have you ever asked yourself why the Joint List is now the third party ?

Hope this helps :

https://www.972mag.com/joint-list-palestinian-citizens-elections/

…….so I give you one written by one of us :

The Israeli right has no clue how to deal with the Joint List’s surge

https://www.972mag.com/joint-list-israeli-right-elections/

the Joint list for the first time includes Jews in their seats in Knesset.

Arab-Israelis form about 20% of the population of Israel. If the Joint list can continue to attract Jews to vote for it (as it did this past election), there will be no choice but to include them in a government.

What is Balad?

you guys questions are getting more and more ridiculous …..
cant you Google ??

https://www.knesset.gov.il/faction/eng/FactionPage_eng.asp?PG=103

While I disagree that the only reason they are not is racism, I don't doubt that prejudice is a part of it. So is fear. I'm sure that Bibi is going around now telling potential defectors that if they don't join him, that Arabs will be in the government. I hope Bibi is right about that, and that prospective defectors tell him to stuff it.

He says that people have a right to self-determination (which is the right to create and maintain a state), but then immediately denys that right to the Jews of Israel.

Ref : " He's just another lying Leftist antisemite. "

That's you guys answer to everything .

Does that include Bernie Saunders ??

I give you the founder of Meretz in responce :

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=shulamit+alloni+we+are+an+insideous+people&view=detail&mid=D028EA28F1233C55F1A9D028EA28F1233C55F1A9&FORM=VIRE

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First, it isn't my answer to everything. Second, Bernie doesn't say the things that Hammond writes, so I don't say things like that about Bernie. The label fits Hammond for the reason I gave, which you ignored.

I am not about to answer for "the American Jewish establishment," whatever or whoever that is. However, he does seem a little too close to people like Linda Sarsour, Rashida Tlaib, and Ilhan Omar, whom I do consider to be antisemitic.

The question was why is he wrong about the Palestinians not wanting to allow a Jewish majority state in any part of Palestine? It seems that your real answer is not that he's wrong, but rather that you don't care that he's right.

………..you don't seem to care that he is Right wing and that he is wrong .

My kibbutz was built upon a destroyed Palestinian village , you can still see the remains today .

Have you ever been here to see for yourself ??

For those that haven't , or cant or want to remain blind
I give you Zochrot :

https://www.zochrot.org/

You still haven't answered the question. You stated that you aren't concerned about whether Israel remains a majority Jewish state. Therefore, you don't care about whether Morris is right about the Palestinians not wanting to allow a Jewish majority state, since you don't care if there is one or not.

which I believe came first ???

I care that there is a State of Israel aranthus , one that is for all of its citizens equally
whether they be Jewish or not …..and that BTW includes many of our citizens today
that are neither Jews or Arabs of which we have many .

You say that you are a post-zionist, and that you are, "not interested in the 'continuance of a Jewish majority state '" I understand that post-zionists also favor right of return (at least I think that you do). In practical terms, what is the difference between post-zionist and anti-zionist? If the post-zionists get their way, it seems that you end up with a single Palestinian majority state, and that if the anti-zionists get their way, that you end up with the same thing. What is different about the end result between the two?

………...many times in the past .

I suggest you research my previous posts on the subject .

In the meantime I give you where the term Post Zionist came into being
and why :

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1343412021

You know your posts far better than I could, and I'm not going to waste my time searching through them for something that probably isn't there. I asked a very specific question that I don't remember you ever having answered. What is the practical difference between your version of post-zionism and anti-zionism? Your cite doesn't answer that question. It does point out one of the problems with post-zionism. Post-zionism falsely describes zionism as a movement. While there is a Zionist movement, zionism is an idea. Specifically it is the idea that there should be a Jewish majority state in all or some of ancient Israel. Now the creation of modern Israel may mean that the Zionist movement has achieved its goal, but the idea remains. So the premise of post-zionism is false.

None of which even begins to answer my question as to your position about the end result of your beliefs. Again, it appears that your end result is a Palestinian Arab majority state in Israel/West Bank/Gaza. Yes or no?

…….mine came first tho

You may think its a false premise but to those of us that live here its anything but .

A resounding NO to your last question .
You really do not understand us at all .

Try here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Zionism

In contrast to political Zionism's goal of the Jewish state, many post-Zionists advocate the evolution of Israel into a non-ideological, secular, liberal democratic state, to be officially neither Jewish nor Arab in character.