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sabbat hunter

(6,893 posts)
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 07:22 PM Mar 2021

Israel election results

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/23/middleeast/israel-fourth-election-intl/index.html


The center-left parties are getting devastated in this election. The Blue/White party may only get 7 or 8 seats after getting 33 last go around.

Can someone tell me how the Kahnist party was allowed to participate in the election?


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/elections/israel-election-live-vote-count-to-be-delayed-due-to-coronavirus-regulations-1.9645682

Haaretz says that Bibi may only have 60 mandates, even if he convinces Bennett joins the coalition.

Yair Lapid says he is going to try and form an anti-Bibi coalition, that may be a hard road to hoe given the spread of parties he would have to bring together.

Could we see a FIFTH election? Oy.
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Israel election results (Original Post) sabbat hunter Mar 2021 OP
I've never claimed to understand Israeli or U.K. politics. Thanks for the insight. Vey. abqtommy Mar 2021 #1
Still hopeful center left could scrounge together enough seats for a majority. ColinC Mar 2021 #2
Its much to early to speculate . Israeli Mar 2021 #3
My guess is sabbat hunter Mar 2021 #5
Maybe , Israeli Mar 2021 #8
I withdraw my maybe Israeli Mar 2021 #12
It seems like sabbat hunter Mar 2021 #13
Bennett meeting with Bibi sabbat hunter Apr 2021 #14
"" Can someone tell me how the Kahnist party was allowed to participate in the election? "" Israeli Mar 2021 #4
Can't the courts sabbat hunter Mar 2021 #6
I said already that Bibi will Israeli Mar 2021 #9
Still a stalemate in Israel election. sabbat hunter Mar 2021 #7
Yes. Israeli Mar 2021 #10
A newbie question about the Israeli Election results. speak easy Mar 2021 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Apr 2021 #15
Can you please fix your subject sabbat hunter Apr 2021 #16
How long will this drag on sabbat hunter Apr 2021 #17
Rivlin gave Bibi Israeli Apr 2021 #18
So 2 months sabbat hunter Apr 2021 #19
He has six days left Israeli Apr 2021 #20
I am not shocked sabbat hunter Apr 2021 #21

Israeli

(4,300 posts)
3. Its much to early to speculate .
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 05:58 AM
Mar 2021

The final results wont be in until Friday morning or afternoon.
The double envelopes which include the soldiers vote haven't been counted yet .

The center/left are not getting devastated , its the same voters spread differently plus there was low
turnout due to apathy and corona .

Im surprised Blue and White got so many votes they were done when Gantz joined with Bibi .

This morning Raam got thru with a possible five seats , that could change everything depending on
who they join with .

Right now the pro Bibi block has just 52 seats and the anti Bibi block has 56.

Thats not counting Yamina or Raam.

Israeli

(4,300 posts)
8. Maybe ,
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 01:46 PM
Mar 2021

still needs another 2.

Likud are in fighting over the possibility of accepting Raam or not , the kahanists will never
sit with them so its all pointless .

Saar has just rejected any chance of joining a Bibi led coalition .

Israeli

(4,300 posts)
12. I withdraw my maybe
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 12:25 PM
Mar 2021

Bennett is making moves to become next leader of the right and is trying
to build his own coalition .

See : https://www.ynetnews.com/article/SyRwxRYEO

Likud and the kahanists wont accept Raam but we will accept Bennet





sabbat hunter

(6,893 posts)
13. It seems like
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 10:06 PM
Mar 2021

it is unclear if Ra'am will sit in the coalition, or on the outside supporting a minority government.
What I like about this potential coalition is that not only would the Kahnist religious zionist party be on the outside, but so would UTJ and Shas.

Best thing that could happen is to shrink the power of those religious parties.

sabbat hunter

(6,893 posts)
14. Bennett meeting with Bibi
Thu Apr 8, 2021, 02:37 PM
Apr 2021
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/elections/.premium-netanyahu-meets-bennett-who-remains-undecided-for-coalition-talks-1.9694938

meeting with Bibi at Bibi's PM residence, which is a first for Bennett. Bibi is pressing hard for Bennett to join his coalition. If Bennett does join, that would leave Bibi only 2 votes short of a majority.

Israeli

(4,300 posts)
4. "" Can someone tell me how the Kahnist party was allowed to participate in the election? ""
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 06:09 AM
Mar 2021

Sure , read this and weep :

https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/SkPBDHdN00

Netanyahu pressed the three far-right factions to unite to ensure they would pass the minimum electoral threshold. They fell short in last year’s election, meaning votes that could have helped Netanyahu went to waste. Now he will need them if he hopes to remain in office and pursue immunity from prosecution on a raft of corruption charges.

Their presence in what would likely be a narrow coalition government has raised alarms across Israel’s political spectrum, with critics arguing that Netanyahu will be beholden to their radical agenda for his political survival.

“The Kahanists want to join the government not just for the ministers’ plush seats, the salary and car, an army of aides and funding for their supporters. They have an agenda,” Nahum Barnea, a veteran columnist for the Yediot Aharonot newspaper, wrote ahead of the election.
“First of all, it means freedom for Jewish terrorists to operate in the territories. Second, it means destroying the justice system. Third, it means apartheid within Israel; racial separation at hospitals, universities, the civil service and the (military). Fourth, it means gender discrimination. Fifth, it means enforcing national-Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) religious codes. They aren’t playing around.”



sabbat hunter

(6,893 posts)
6. Can't the courts
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 08:27 AM
Mar 2021

Block Kahanist parties from being allowed to participate in the elections? I know they have been blocked in the past.

Israeli

(4,300 posts)
9. I said already that Bibi will
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 01:56 PM
Mar 2021

do anything to stay in power , thats a great example .

Kahanism Has No Place in the Knesset
7 March 2019

https://www.nif.org/stories/human-rights-democracy/kahanism-has-no-place-in-the-knesset/

Kahanism is an extremist ideology which is based on the views of Rabbi Meir Kahane, a violent supremacist who advocated and inspired acts of terror. He and his disciples were rightly banned from the Knesset in 1988 on the grounds that their ideology is ‘racist and undemocratic.’ Kahanist organizations are still defined as terror groups by the U.S. State Department and other global bodies.

Otzma Yehudit’s leaders and candidates for the Knesset, Ben-Ari and lawyer Itamar Ben-Gvir, are disciples of Kahane and followers of the racist Kahanist ideology. Ben-Ari was refused a visa to America in 2012 due to his affiliation with Kach and has long argued that Arabs should be expelled from Israel. Ben-Gvir has spent his career in law defending right-wing activists accused of terrorism. Hanging in his living room is a photo of Baruch Goldstein, a terrorist who killed 29 Muslim worshipers in Hebron in 1994.

In 2013, Ben-Ari’s Otzma L’Yisrael failed to pass the electoral threshold to enter the Knesset. Since then, Kahanism has been absent from the Knesset. But now, there is a very real possibility that at least one Kahanist will be in Israel’s next Knesset.

Jewish Home’s previous leader, Naftali Bennett, recently broke away to create the New Right party with Ayelet Shaked. As a result, Prime Minister Netanyahu became fearful that the Jewish Home (which was polling below the 3.25% electoral threshold) wouldn’t get into the Knesset and pushed for them to merge with the National Union and Otzma Yehudit.

speak easy

(10,513 posts)
11. A newbie question about the Israeli Election results.
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 08:10 AM
Mar 2021

I don't follow Israeli politics act all. I know there have been four elections over two years, and there is already speculation about a fifth.

The impression I have is that the reason Likud has not been able to assemble a coalition over this period is PM Netanyahu himself. And his overriding priority is not governing, but keeping himself out of prison.

So a stalemate is better than a jailmate.

?

Response to speak easy (Reply #11)

Israeli

(4,300 posts)
18. Rivlin gave Bibi
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 03:03 AM
Apr 2021

28 days to form a coalition , you can usually add another two weeks to that .
If he can't then probably Rivlin will ask Yeah Arid to try.
If Lapid can't do it either then it will be elections once again.

sabbat hunter

(6,893 posts)
19. So 2 months
Sat Apr 17, 2021, 05:33 PM
Apr 2021

more or less from the day that Rivlin gave Bibi to form a coalition.

When people say to me that the US needs a parliamentary form of government, I point to countries like Israel, Italy (plus a few others), of the downsides of a parliamentary form of government. Major fractions, hard to form a stable long term coalition.

Israeli

(4,300 posts)
20. He has six days left
Wed Apr 28, 2021, 06:48 AM
Apr 2021

to form a coalition and after the fiasco of the last 24 hours I seriously doubt Rivlin will
extend the time limit .

Today even senior members of the Likud are in shock at his antics and are speaking out .

Im referring to this :

https://www.timesofisrael.com/insane-cabinet-bedlam-as-netanyahu-tries-to-wriggle-out-of-unity-straitjacket/

I agree with you that we seriously need to change our electoral system but I dont see it happening in my
lifetime .

sabbat hunter

(6,893 posts)
21. I am not shocked
Wed Apr 28, 2021, 05:38 PM
Apr 2021

that he would pull this off. He wants a new AG in place who will drop the charges, or try to postpone from proceeding further at this time. (I know the trial has begun, but I am sure the AG could delay things)

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