Everyone in Israel has the same rights, the issue I suppose is the West Bank and Gaza. Those areas are not part of Israel, so whatever one thinks of the arrangements between Israel and the Palestinians (like the Oslo accords) thats still not Apartheid.

So what are they? Part of Israel or nah?

so I hope its okay I answer you .

IMHO its a big " nah "

See : https://peacenow.org.il/en

And : http://zope.gush-shalom.org/index_en.html

The idea was that Israel and the Palestinians would work things out with negotiations and then Palestine would be established. That hasn't happened.

If the Arab leaders had accepted the partition plan in 1947 there would be a country of Palestine. But they rejected the idea and engaged in a war of genocide against the Jews/Zionists instead.

They tried and failed in 1967 and 1973 to destroy Israel.

Violence is never the answer, it's a dark path that will only hurt the Palestinian cause such as it is.

Israel struck first in the 1967 war, which was willfully expansionist, and the threat of annihilation was a myth

https://carnegiecouncil-media.storage.googleapis.com/files/v16_i009_a009.pdf

Gaza and the West Bank are essentially bantustans administered by Israel, or else they would have been able to get their covid vaccines they acquired in a timely fashion.

when it pre-emptively struck at Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. Egypt closed the straits of Tiran to Israeli vessels, which is enough to go to war with them for interfering with their shipping. A week before Egypt closed the straits, it signed a defense agreement with Jordan. Once Israel struck at Egypt for closing the straits, Jordan declared war on Israel, as per the agreement. Egypt lied to Jordan and said it repelled the Israeli air strike, but in reality the strike devastated the Egyptian air force. A few days before the war began, King Hussein of Jordan gave command of his armies to Egyptian generals.
Based on those same false reports from Egypt, Syria started an artillery assault on Israel. Israel then struck back.

The war was all started because of Nassar provoking Israel.

The Palestinians deserve a state, with most of the WB, with the exception of the Old City, and Gaza as the lands for it.

But the blame is not solely on Israel. The surrounding Arab countries did zero between 48 and 67 to set up a Palestine. Jordan even annexed the WB.

Israel chose pre-emptive violence.

ICOJ, all the while on the ground Israeli shipping is halted. LOL
Nassar wanted war.

Nassar tossed out the UN peacekeepers.

He violated international law by closing the Straits, which is a casus belli.
He wanted war, because he thought that Egypt, Jordan, and Syria would beat Israel.

Why do you think he signed a defense agreement with Jordan only days before? Why do you think he insisted that Jordanian forces be put under Egyptian generals.

Then it's not a casus belli, it's not a justification for war under any reasonable understanding since it is not an armed attack.

Nobody goes to war over these kinds of disputes, or else Iran would be well within its right to attack the U.S. for the trade sanctions.

Under article 51 of the U.N. charter, you are only allowed to launch a pre-emptive attack if there is an attack against you.

In any case, the strait was not a significant waterway for Israel, and ships could be easily be rerouted around the Sinai, just like they were during the first Gulf War, so Tiran is a weak excuse to attack.

he closed the straits, there was casus belli. If he wanted to bring it to the international court, he should have done so WITHOUT closing the straits.

Re-routed around the Sinai, means going all the way around Africa. That is not easy.

Closing the straits was an act of war.

How can there be a pre-emptive attack, if you are already attacked?

Only 5% of Israel's imports came through the strait, and ships could easily be rerouted.

Only 117 Israeli-flagged ships arrived at the port of Eilat over ten years: when the U.S. asked for shipping data, Israel initially declared the data classified because it was so damaging to their argument that the Straits were vitally important. UN officials report that no Israeli-flagged ship had gone through the Straits in nearly two years.


Nasser offered to resolve the conflict in peace, but Israel deliberately chose war.

under the WTO.

Nasser wanted war, and he got it. He just thought that Israel would go thru the usual route in the Sinai, which would have been repulsed by his fortifications. They went around them.

If Nasser wanted peace, he would not have made the defensive agreement with Jordan, which put Jordanian forces under his control.

If you REALLY think that Nasser wanted this settled peacefully then you are not worth debating over this.

Everyone loves to hate the Jews. It has been going on for 6000 years. They would rather support the US hating Palestinians than the Israelis who are the US's strongest ally. The Israelis have been under constant attack by the Palestinians and other Arabs since 1948.

Israel is a complicated friend. Admittedly, Israel is in a dangerous neighborhood but given the amount of US aid going to Israel, US citizens must be free to discuss Israel's treatment of Palestinians under its control and how US supplied weapons are used against Israel's neighbors.

But your in favor of a one state solution?

You think that 12.5 million Palestinian Arabs should be given citizenship in Israel, who have a population of 9 million?

Where do you suppose they will live?

I still believe in a two State solution as does Meretz and Avoda and Gush Shalom and Peace Now .
Most politicians today just give it lip service tho .
As the years pass it's getting more and more unlikely to happen.
What we are against is the occupation and the settler movement .who consider that the West Bank is sovereign Israeli territory given to them by God .

Here he is at CPAC

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/gold-to-cpac-help-us-defeat-fake-history-582121

Ilan and Alon are left wing Israelis

Israelis differ on their approach to the Palestinian issue.

They all support extensive social programs, pluralism, etc.

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In the US he'd probably be a middle of the road Democrat.

Your right wingers must be absolutely terrifying then .

So if he is a middle of the road Democrat where would you place our centralists like Lapid and Gantz
by American standards ???

Beginning to understand why you consider me to be the Israeli far left

Lapid reminds me a little of Jon Ossoff.

Gantz maybe John Glenn.