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David__77

(23,863 posts)
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 07:28 AM Apr 2024

Palestinian says Israeli soldiers used him as human shield in West Bank

DURA, West Bank (Reuters) - A Palestinian shop owner said Israeli troops used him as a human shield to protect themselves during a raid on the town of Dura in the occupied West Bank.

Mobile phone footage showed Baha Abu Ras being marched up a street by a soldier who guided him from behind with one hand and kept a rifle resting on his shoulder with the other. Two Israeli soldiers advanced carefully behind them, their rifles raised.

Abu Ras said he had been taken from his mobile phone shop on Monday in Dura, near the city of Hebron, after Israeli soldiers searched the premises during a raid in which Palestinian officials said two Palestinians were shot dead.

"He (the first soldier) told me that he will use me as a human shield, that young people shouldn't hurl stones," Abu Ras told Reuters. "'You will walk in front of me.' That's what happened and he took me toward the centre of the town."



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Palestinian says Israeli soldiers used him as human shield in West Bank (Original Post) David__77 Apr 2024 OP
Why the sudden interest in Palestinians being used as human shields? Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #1
Thank goodness there is interest rather than complete indifference. David__77 Apr 2024 #2
Complete indifference by the media to Hamas using human shields in Gaza for seven months. Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #3
This article does pertain to an incident in the West Bank portrayed on the man's phone video. David__77 Apr 2024 #4
Indeed it does. And I am grateful to the media for publishing it, as I am for Mr. Abu Ras making through it unharmed, Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #5
I think there is a bit of a difference between a soldier physically putting an enemy Eko Apr 2024 #6
Not when you compare 30,000 to one. revmclaren Apr 2024 #7
That is a fair point. Eko Apr 2024 #8
Assuming the facts match the account, this is indeed a crime. Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #9
Yes, assuming the facts match the acount Eko Apr 2024 #10
Well, if you need me to spell it out: Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #11
No, you agreed with that in post 9. Eko Apr 2024 #12
No, a made up difference without distinction is not important to me at all. Beastly Boy Apr 2024 #13
The difference is that this is two rogue soldiers, not a military strategy implemented by a government. lapucelle Apr 2024 #15
Indeed there is a difference: Here, two individual soldiers appear to be committing a war crime, not "Israel". lapucelle Apr 2024 #14
I can agree with that. Eko Apr 2024 #16

Beastly Boy

(11,015 posts)
1. Why the sudden interest in Palestinians being used as human shields?
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 10:22 AM
Apr 2024

It has been happening for months in Gaza, on a huge scale, and no media coverage whatsoever. And, if the Hamas health ministry is to be believed, over 30,000 of the civilians, including women and children, who were being used to shield military targets in Gaza did not survive the ordeal.

Beastly Boy

(11,015 posts)
3. Complete indifference by the media to Hamas using human shields in Gaza for seven months.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 11:08 AM
Apr 2024

Over 30,000 human shields dead.

Thank goodness for a single account alleging the use of Mr. Abu Ras as a human shield finally making it!

Beastly Boy

(11,015 posts)
5. Indeed it does. And I am grateful to the media for publishing it, as I am for Mr. Abu Ras making through it unharmed,
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:58 PM
Apr 2024

as I am reminded by the appearance of this article of the otherwise deafening silence by the media in acknowledging 30,000 instances in which human shields perished. Something that makes me wonder what kept them so silent for so long.

Eko

(8,408 posts)
6. I think there is a bit of a difference between a soldier physically putting an enemy
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 05:36 PM
Apr 2024

in front of him to protect himself and Hamas embedding with civilians to protect themselves. As you have told me many times that is a war crime. Ergo Israel is now committing a war crime. I am sure you will call them out on it.

revmclaren

(2,613 posts)
7. Not when you compare 30,000 to one.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 07:03 PM
Apr 2024

Or even 15,000 to one...or even 1,000 to one...whatever is comfortable for you to believe.

The 'suddenly human shields are important, but only for Palestinians 'is blatent hypocrisy.

Eko

(8,408 posts)
8. That is a fair point.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 07:20 PM
Apr 2024

I would still say that there is a bit of a difference. One would be using civilians from the other side as a human shield. It would also be fair to point out that Hamas might be doing the same with Israeli civilians as well though with their captors. Two would be using them to advance on what they perceive as possible enemy as the IDF soldier did. Three would be there is video of it. As I said I think that is a bit different but in all cases using human shields is just plain wrong and a crime on both sides.

Beastly Boy

(11,015 posts)
9. Assuming the facts match the account, this is indeed a crime.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 08:47 PM
Apr 2024

Otherwise, there is absolutely no difference whether a human shield is used in front of a military target, behind it, on top of it or below it, or if the military target is a human, a tank, a building or any other military asset.

Beastly Boy

(11,015 posts)
11. Well, if you need me to spell it out:
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 10:43 PM
Apr 2024

Assuming the facts match the account of an enemy civilian being used to protect an IDF soldier while moving into danger, this is indeed a crime.

Better?

Eko

(8,408 posts)
12. No, you agreed with that in post 9.
Sun Apr 28, 2024, 12:33 AM
Apr 2024

If the difference I have stated is not important to you then you are free to say so. No need for you to keep saying the same thing.

Beastly Boy

(11,015 posts)
13. No, a made up difference without distinction is not important to me at all.
Sun Apr 28, 2024, 08:37 AM
Apr 2024

But feel free to keep beating a dead horse while I enjoy the rest of my day.

Buh-bye.

lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
15. The difference is that this is two rogue soldiers, not a military strategy implemented by a government.
Sun Apr 28, 2024, 09:22 AM
Apr 2024

Hope that helps!

lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
14. Indeed there is a difference: Here, two individual soldiers appear to be committing a war crime, not "Israel".
Sun Apr 28, 2024, 08:59 AM
Apr 2024

Using human shields is not an Israeli military strategy, and there is no Israeli government policy that calls for the military to install itself in, around, and under civilian infrastructure. Israel protects all of its citizens from any strategy that deliberately puts them in harms way, including the 2,100,000 Palestinian citizens of Israel.

Court martial the two soldiers to ensure that this does not become a pattern, but to conflate these two soldiers with "Israel" as a whole is, at its very best, a hasty generalization.


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