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Israeli

(4,247 posts)
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 05:00 PM Aug 31

Netanyahu Claims He Wasn't Warned About the Concrete Danger Posed by Hamas. He Damn Well Was

Haaretz Editorial
Aug 30th 2024

Opposition leader Yair Lapid's testimony to an independent civilian commission of inquiry into the events of October 7 refuted Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's claim that the government was never told that Hamas was not deterred and that there was a concrete danger of an attack on Israel.

According to Lapid, Netanyahu's military secretary, Maj. Gen. Avi Gil, said in a joint briefing a year ago, against the background of the government coup, that officials in the terrorist organizations had identified "weakness, social division, tensions and a loss of preparedness in the military, alongside an emerging crisis with the Americans." Lapid added, "I was shown intelligence at the highest level of classification. And its meaning was unequivocal – Israel was at especially high risk."

Lapid said the head of the Shin Bet security service, Ronen Bar, also warned Netanyahu. The evening before the Knesset voted to abolish the use of the reasonableness standard, Bar met with Lapid and warned him of the coup and the internal schism it had caused. Lapid said he asked Bar explicitly whether these warnings were relayed to Netanyahu and other members of the security cabinet, and the answer was "of course they were."

Lapid also said that last September he attended a meeting of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee at which the lawmakers were told that "Israel's deterrence has eroded dramatically and our enemies believe they have a rare opportunity to harm us." That is why he issued a press release after the meeting saying that "all the heads of the defense establishment – the IDF, Shin Bet, police and intelligence agencies – are warning the government and the security cabinet about a violent conflagration."

Continued at : https://archive.md/nAS39

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Netanyahu Claims He Wasn't Warned About the Concrete Danger Posed by Hamas. He Damn Well Was (Original Post) Israeli Aug 31 OP
Hmm, sort of like "W" being warned about Bin Laden "Determined to strike in the U.S." SharonAnn Aug 31 #1
Ok, but the fact is the ones to blame for Oct 7 are Hamas period. JohnSJ Aug 31 #2
There is more on Ronen Bar's warning at the Times of Israel: Beastly Boy Aug 31 #3
In your media maybe Israeli Sep 1 #5
Bibi lying? sabbat hunter Aug 31 #4

SharonAnn

(13,833 posts)
1. Hmm, sort of like "W" being warned about Bin Laden "Determined to strike in the U.S."
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 05:28 PM
Aug 31

It's too inconvenient to deal with so just ignore it.

Beastly Boy

(10,565 posts)
3. There is more on Ronen Bar's warning at the Times of Israel:
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 07:16 PM
Aug 31
The head of the Shin Bet security agency, Ronen Bar, warned Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in July 2023 that war was all but certain for Israel if the government continued to plow ahead with its controversial judicial overhaul, a report said Friday, amid the defense and political echelons’ ongoing blame game surrounding October 7.

The report by the Ynet news site said that although Bar appeared certain that Israel was heading for war, he was likely referring either to a war in the north with the Iran-backed Hezbollah, or an escalation in the West Bank leading to a third intifada that could later expand, rather than war with Hamas.

According to the outlet, on July 23, 2023 — a day before the government passed the first major piece of its contentious judicial overhaul legislation — Bar told Netanyahu: “Today I give you a warning of war. We don’t know the day and time in which it will break out, but this is the indication.”

Later that day, with Netanyahu’s blessing, Bar reportedly issued the same warning to Opposition Leader Yair Lapid, who relied on the information to warn of a “violent, multifront confrontation” in a September 20 press conference.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/i-give-you-a-warning-of-war-shin-bet-head-told-pm-10-weeks-before-oct-7-report/

Apparently, not only did the Shin Bet head warn Netanyahu of the high probability of a multi-front war for Israel, he tied it directly to Netanyahu's efforts to overhaul Israel's judiciary - something we don't hear mentioned in the media anymore.

Israeli

(4,247 posts)
5. In your media maybe
Sun Sep 1, 2024, 06:02 AM
Sep 1

ref :

Apparently, not only did the Shin Bet head warn Netanyahu of the high probability of a multi-front war for Israel, he tied it directly to Netanyahu's efforts to overhaul Israel's judiciary - something we don't hear mentioned in the media anymore.


not in mine .

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