and hostage release instead of bombing the shit out of neighboring countries.

What a corrupt warmonger.

Took him a while though. I guess he didn't see where this was going all along.

Don't understand how the entire West could have been fooled, taken for a ride and manipulated by this genocidal war-monger for Greater Israel unfortunately supported by way too many Israelis and Americans.

Hamas is not fighting Netanyahu.

The Hoothies are not fighting Netanyahu.

Hezbollah are not fighting Netanyahu.

Iran is not fighting Netanyahu.

They are fighting the Jews. Not even Israelis, and certainly not Zionistis, and not colonialists and not war criminals. And they are not fighting members of Netanyahu's cabinet members, or Netanyahu himself. When they kill, they don't brag about killing war criminals, they are screaming out with glee, "I killed ten Jews today!"

And if they prevail, you are next. That's right, you, the ones who are paving the road to their hell with your presumably good intentions.

Every single one of you. Every liberal, every democrat, every woman, every non-binary person, every Christian, every Buddhist, every agnostic. Because they couldn't care less for the figurative bleeding hearts, useful as they are for them - they will come for real blood. Because they are vicious murderous religious fanatics, and that's the only thing they know how to do well.

And if they prevail, there will be no one left, French weapons or not, to stand up to them when they come for you.

I am not judging anyone, god bless you for freely expressing your opinions.

This is a warning that words, even in the most casual expressions of opinions, have consequences when repeated often enough.

Well said BB.

Jeeze fearmonger much? Oh ya! Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas are going to kill us here in good ol USA. Every single one of us! Your words "Every liberal, every democrat, every woman, every non-binary person, every Christian, every Buddhist, every agnostic." Every one of us. Seriously get a grip! How exactly are they going to get here? With their vaunted navy? We took out half of their navy in less than one day in 1988. Who do you think has gotten better since then and the correct answer is not Iran. Are they all going to book flights to the US with their guns and tanks and APC's? "Do you have anything to check traveler from Iran?" "Yes. just this BMP in my briefcase."

"Ah yes, move along".
Or are they going to go all China on us like in the movie Wolverine and airdrop over us with their, Checks, maybe 12 transport planes and 2 refuelers they have that would never get anywhere close to the US because we have fucking F22's, F16's and F35's as well as the worlds best military and military radar system in the world? Out of everything you have ever said here I really cant believe you said this. This is by far the worst. I pave my road with intelligence, the desire for peace and the biggest and best military in the world. You? "And if they prevail, you are next." 100% fearmongering with a huge dash of anti-knowledge.

Ask the people of Afghanistan. Or Iran.

It's an ancient but perhaps still usable Middle Eastern method of transport. King Solomon fit 40,000 men on it. That's a lot of terrorists.

Be very afraid...

Here is proof.

I like to dream, yes, yes
Right between the sound machine
On a cloud of sound I drift in the night
Any place it goes is right
Goes far, flies near
To the stars away from here

Well, you don't know what we can find
Why don't you come with me, little girl
On a magic carpet ride

Well, you don't know what we can see
Why don't you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free
....

Crazy.

Better yet, they will show you.

How many of them are in the room with you?
Do you see them often?

Then it should. They will kill us all! They are after all of you! Who does that sound like to you?

Now that's a winner!

It's really about what you are making them out to be. Don't you see how what you said mirrors someone who is, well, infamous with people like us now? "There coming to get you"? Not to mention the sheer virtual impossibility of what you are suggesting? None of that rings a bell or sounds concerning to you? Are you ok? Really, are you ok?

far more imminently, albeit, Putin is likewise not afraid to enlist Iran.

And that is what many do not understand or at least fully appreciate. Israelis allowing the Likudists and Netanyahu to lead them down their preferred path is not looking at the full picture--even while I do appreciate their approaching Hezbollah as the threat that they are--Netanyahu-led or not. The "end justifies the means" approach to Netanyahu is pointing ALL of us at disaster. None on this forum would allow such nonsense in terms of Trump support, but Netanyahu SUPPORTS TRUMP and by extension PUTIN. WAKE UP!!!!

Your comments notwithstanding, Hamas is not fighting Netanyahu.

The Hoothies are not fighting Netanyahu.

Hezbollah are not fighting Netanyahu.

Iran is not fighting Netanyahu.

They are fighting the Jews.

The terrorists are not concerned with Netanyahu. They are after the Jews, regardless of who Netanyahu is getting in bed with, and regardless of your comments on an unrelated subject. With Putin and Trump and Netanyahu out of the picture, the terrorists are still after the Jews. And they will not stop with the Jews.

Is this so difficult to accept that the only response you can come up with is to deflect?

I've tried before and that you consider this a deflection shows a shortcoming I cannot address. I pray we don't find out just how short-sided your focus is. You are determined not to acknowledge/address the problem that is Netanyahu and Likud, yet blindly put all your trust in them. You will acknowledge/regret that choice when it is too late, I fear.

Bringing up the big picture a hundred times in a row will not make the slightest dent in their dogma.

This is the subject of my post, and this is what you cannot bring yourself up to address.

This is out of character for me, but I will take your bait and address your deflection into Netanyahu's bed sharing habits that you are laser focused on, and their effects on the big picture. Netanyahu's influences on Trump and Putin are minuscule compared to Trump's and Putin's influences on the big-picture events that concern you (and me). They play a significant role in Israeli politics (about 35% of Israel's voters support them). and a far less significant role in regional politics. Netanyahu and Likud play a far smaller role in regional politics, and only inasmuch as they are part of Israel's governing coalition. I will not get into the faulty presumptions of just how much Netanyahu and Likud determine the trajectory of Israel's current government (it is a lot less significant than you think) since that would also be a deflection from the issue I raised in my post. Both Putin and Trump are having their hands full dealing with internal political challenges to listen to anything Netanyahu can tell them, and no matter how recklessly devious Netanyahu may appear, he is not an idiot to believe any promises from these two characters barely hanging on to their political survival.

You, on the other hand, make it sound like Netanyahu's choices of allegiance determine outcomes of events completely outside his control. You do him too much honor, I am afraid.

Now, having significantly departed from the subject at hand, let me return to it: Do you or do you not see the immediate existential threat to the Jews as well as longer-term existential threat to all but very few of us, as I outlined them in my initial post, at the hands of religious fanatics bent on killing everyone who do not submit to their uncompromisingly rigid world view?

I hope you can bring yourself to replying directly to the subject at hand without any further deflections.

Not the least, the people of Israel.

For the last time, since you love to say that... That you continue to support a corrupt Trump-like figure who cares nothing about his own people but only gives himself cover to stay clear of judicial consequences, to enrich himself, and to pursue his own objectives behind the backs of the American people-- in addition to his own--leaves me cold. BIBI will negotiate with damn near anyone and has already met with Putin while ignoring the US government/Biden administration's entreaties. Through his actions, he may well deliver the US election to Trump. Do YOU honestly think that is going to help the Israeli people?

You think that you can demand for me to agree with you. I don't. Nor should anyone if the risk from the Likudists under Netanyahu are ignored. I support the Israeli people, but not the personal aims of Bibi Netanyahu. HOW CAN YOU?

Start your own post on this forum, on any subject you wish, stating anything you wish, and I will reply to it in the context of your post. You can even include in it any nonsense about who I support or not.

But not before you address my post, in its context. This doesn't include any deflections to Netanyahu.

Can you do that? Not too much to ask for, is it?

I have to say about Netanyahu for reasons that seem unfathomable. I'd bet more DUers agree with me about Bibi than you-- if that is, indeed, how you feel.

But, you do not get to make demands of me or anyone else. People ARE going to disagree with you on this and other issues. Get used to it.

Few choose to do so with the remarkable consistency you have displayed. And that, of course, reflects on you, not me.

I demand nothing of you, I give you an opportunity to show your capacity to debate without deflecting. Of course, that takes a bit of effort, and if you are not willing to exert yourself beyond your safety zone, who am I to impose? You are an adult, you can make your own decisions and face their consequences.

BTW, "more DUers agree with me about Bibi than you" is an oxymoron. I firmly belong to the majority that would agree with you on Netanyahu.

The problem is, this is not about Netanyahu! How much clearer can I be? Bringing up Netanyahu does not constitute disagreement. It constitutes failure to address my posts. And when done a number of times in a row, it constitutes abject failure to address my posts.

Yet YOU say in bold font: "this is not about Netanyahu."

Well, it IS. How much clearer can I be? Good gawd. Did you even read the OP before you posted and began to attack ME?

You replied to my post, didn't you?

Why did you reply to my post and not the OP? Was it because I made demands of you? Or anyone else?

Can I do the "Good gawd" bit now, or would it look too immature of me in the context of of this reply?

That does say something...

And I replied accordingly. I didn't try to deflect from your replies to anything else in the thread.

Were I to reply to someone else's posts and direct them at you, my replies would have been way out of context and make absolutely no sense, no?

Seems to me that you need to learn the meaning of deflection. Alternately, start your OWN thread--something you like to demand of others. And, while you claim to have read my posts, you have not once addressed the points I made. Something though that you felt that you could DEMAND of ME.

Did you ever reply to the OP? No comment...

Did you reply to my posts instead? No comment...

Did you deflect from the content of my posts? No comment...

But if you insist:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1134141875

Feel free to deflect from the stated subject line of the OP now, courtesy of Beastly Boy.

Knock yourself out. Perhaps you will eventually come to see what most of us have as to what Netanyahu is truly about and that he is anything but concerned for the future of the Israeli people--and he sure doesn't give a damn about ANYONE in the US with the likely exception of Trump. But, given I've never been fond of futile time drains, I'll leave you to it.

And perhaps you will eventually come to reading what I think of Netanyahu. It is in one of the posts I addressed to you.

But as I said in that same post, Netanyahu is not the subject of my post. So I can't wait for you to come up with your own OP about Netanyahu.

Don't hold back, let it all out!

Well, that is a first for the Middle East!

Oh, wait! not new!

The crusades, 11th Century.