Israel/Palestine

Beastly Boy

(11,135 posts) Mon Oct 28, 2024, 09:58 AM Oct 28

We've had enough': After IDF operation, Gazan ambulance driver says Hamas embeds in hospitals

Hamas uses hospitals for terror purposes, an ambulance driver at the Kamal Adwan Hospital in Jabalya in the northern Gaza Strip confirmed while being interrogated by security officials, according to footage published by the IDF on Monday.

In the video, the driver, reportedly apprehended on suspicion of involvement in terror activities, confirms his role as driver and paramedic at the Health Ministry in the Kamal Adwan and Al-Ahli Arab Hospitals.

"Hamas military operatives are present; they are in the courtyards, at the gates of the buildings, in the offices of Kamal Adwan Hospital," the driver stated. "They operate ambulances to transport their wounded military operatives, and to transport them for their missions, and this is instead of using the ambulances for the benefit of civilians." "We, the public in the northern Gaza Strip, are sick of this situation. We have had enough; they (Hamas) are stationed in the hospitals, stationed in the schools," the driver confirmed.

This comes as the IDF and Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) carried out targeted operations in the Gaza hospital to counter terror activities in the area. Prior to the operation, the IDF facilitated the evacuation of civilians and made sure that emergency care continued, the military said. The military noted that within the hospital precincts, Hamas terrorists, some of whom had taken part in the October 7 massacre, had embedded themselves within the hospital. Following operations, troops arrested some 100 terrorists, including some who had tried to flee during the evacuation of civilians from the area.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-826429

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We've had enough': After IDF operation, Gazan ambulance driver says Hamas embeds in hospitals (Original Post) Beastly Boy Oct 28 OP

That's why Israeli's sometimes has to bomb jimfields33 Oct 28 #1

Interrogacin, hmm al bupp Oct 28 #2

He is confirming what was previously established by facts on the ground. Beastly Boy Oct 28 #3

Sure, because no Palestinian in Gaza feels so intimated al bupp Oct 28 #4

He went along with the facts on the ground, for gawds sake! Beastly Boy Oct 28 #5

Maybe you could be a bit more condescending al bupp Oct 28 #6

I certainly could, but as you can see, I am restraining myself. Beastly Boy Oct 28 #7

Sir, you only have 1 source, the IDF al bupp Oct 29 #8

And you have no sources, trustworthy or otherwise. Beastly Boy Oct 29 #9

We will have to agree to disagree al bupp Oct 29 #10

But we don't have to favor opinions over facts. Beastly Boy Oct 29 #11

You have not presented facts, just assertions al bupp Oct 29 #12

jimfields33

(18,837 posts)

1. That's why Israeli's sometimes has to bomb

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2024, 10:07 AM

Oct 28

places Hamas hangs out. It’s the way to end Hamas terrorism.

al bupp

(2,349 posts)

2. Interrogacin, hmm

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2024, 10:09 AM

Oct 28

I'm sure monte of this es said under the duress of interrogatori.

Beastly Boy

(11,135 posts)

3. He is confirming what was previously established by facts on the ground.

Reply to al bupp (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 28, 2024, 10:17 AM

Oct 28

His testimony is merely a change of vantage point. It describes matters already established from the inside of an ambulance.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-ends-raid-against-hamas-at-north-gaza-hospital-says-dozens-of-suspects-detained/

al bupp

(2,349 posts)

4. Sure, because no Palestinian in Gaza feels so intimated

Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 28, 2024, 02:55 PM

Oct 28

That they'd just go along with the party line when being interrogated by armed soldiers.

Beastly Boy

(11,135 posts)

5. He went along with the facts on the ground, for gawds sake!

Reply to al bupp (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 28, 2024, 03:05 PM

Oct 28

Don't you read what you are replying to?

al bupp

(2,349 posts)

6. Maybe you could be a bit more condescending

Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 28, 2024, 09:17 PM

Oct 28

Yes, I read the article which reads a lot like propaganda to me. If only references IDF sources, nothing independent. The video shows a lone man, who appears to be in a windowless room. Who knows if been coerced in to his statement or not.

I'm just saying the power imbalance so greatly in the IDF's favor, that I wouldn't be surprised if he said his mother was in Hamas.

Beastly Boy

(11,135 posts)

7. I certainly could, but as you can see, I am restraining myself.

Reply to al bupp (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 28, 2024, 10:46 PM

Oct 28

And if you want to talk about what it looks like, it looks like a confession of a repentant sinner to me. What do you make of THAT?

See, it doesn't matter what it looks like to you. when you have sources clearly showing that what looks like to you has no basis in fact. If there were, it would not only look like something to you, it would be factual and look the same to everyone. And then you would have legitimate grounds to pile all your condescension on what it looks like to me.

You don't like the sources? By all means, find your own that show it is what it looks like to you. Show this man being coerced into a false confession, don't just speculate about it. "Who knows" is not evidence. "I wouldn't be surprised" is not evidence. "Reads a lot like" is not evidence. it's a damn opinion and everybody has one.

Is it too condescending of me to back up what I am saying with sources you don't like? Is it too condescending of me to to ask for sources that will back up what things look like to you?

Then you are damn right: I am a condescending son of a bitch.

al bupp

(2,349 posts)

8. Sir, you only have 1 source, the IDF

Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 29, 2024, 05:31 AM

Oct 29

I don't consider them to be very trust worthy. They have lied numerous times about their actions in Gaza. For example, when they "mistakenly", but repeatedly struck a convoy of relief workers from Chef Andres' kitchen.

I would find they man's testimony more convincing if it was given in the presence of independent journalists, which can be hard to find in Gaza since the IDF has been busy keeping out those that want get in, and shooting those already there.

Beastly Boy

(11,135 posts)

9. And you have no sources, trustworthy or otherwise.

Reply to al bupp (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 29, 2024, 07:22 AM

Oct 29

Actually, I have two sources: the IDF and the ambulance driver's testimony recorded on video.

I would also find the Gazan ambulance driver's testimony more convincing under different circumstances, but this doesn't make it unconvincing. His testimony is consistent with events on the ground and past practices of Hamas and is not contested by anyone, including Hamas, which gives it some credence, especially in the absence of any evidence other than your thoughts and opinions.

And since you didn't post any additional information about the interrogation that might shed any light on your thoughts and opinions, I feel pretty confident in assuming you have none.

If you don't believe your own eyes and ears, it is on you to present a compelling reason why this is the case. Not just opinions.