Israel/Palestine

Beastly Boy

(11,316 posts) Sun Nov 3, 2024, 10:42 PM Nov 3

Hamas rejects any hostage deal that doesn't end war, despite mediators' efforts

Hamas on Thursday rejected any proposal for a temporary halt to more than a year of fighting in Gaza and reiterated its insistence on a lasting ceasefire, as American, Egyptian, and Qatari mediators tried to coax the Palestinian terror group back to the negotiating table.

“The idea of a temporary pause in the war, only to resume aggression later, is something we have already expressed our position on. Hamas supports a permanent end to the war, not a temporary one,” senior Hamas official Taher al-Nunu told AFP.

Mediators seeking to broker a Gaza ceasefire were expected to present Hamas with a proposal for a truce of less than a month, a source with knowledge of the talks told AFP on Wednesday.

The proposal was discussed during meetings in Doha between Mossad head David Barnea, CIA Director Bill Burns, and Qatar’s prime minister, which concluded on Monday, the source said on condition of anonymity because of the talks’ sensitivity.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-rejects-any-hostage-deal-that-doesnt-end-war-despite-mediators-efforts/

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They started the war. They took the hostages. Now they are not releasing the hostages until the war they started ends.

And they are not about to end the war they started. But... land grab.

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Hamas rejects any hostage deal that doesn't end war, despite mediators' efforts (Original Post) Beastly Boy Nov 3 OP

So, Eko Nov 3 #1

Only one side started the war and took hostages Beastly Boy Nov 4 #5

Nothing you said changes the fact. Eko Nov 4 #7

No, for gawds sake, the side you are talking about WILL NOT negotiate! Beastly Boy Nov 4 #8

They have in the past just last year. Eko Nov 4 #9

Ok-kay... Beastly Boy Nov 4 #10

How I voted four years ago? Eko Nov 4 #11

This is funny coming from the guy that says hamas will not negotiate Eko Nov 4 #12

Nonsensical spin - both sides are negotiating the end of the war FBaggins Nov 4 #13

I have not seen where Israel says they will stop killing hamas when they turn over the hostages. Eko Nov 4 #14

Hamas rejects any hostage deal that doesn't end war, despite mediators' efforts EricFowler Nov 3 #2

Gee. Imagine that? An out of proportional response from Isreal gives Hamas nothing more to lose. marble falls Nov 4 #4

well there's always laying down your arms stopdiggin Nov 4 #6

we insist that you must stop killing us stopdiggin Nov 4 #3

Eko

(8,608 posts)

1. So,

Reply to Beastly Boy (Original post)

Sun Nov 3, 2024, 10:48 PM

Nov 3

One side has said they will negotiate the end of the war. And the other?
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The other says they will not end the war till all of their enemies are dead.

Beastly Boy

(11,316 posts)

5. Only one side started the war and took hostages

Reply to Eko (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 4, 2024, 07:46 AM

Nov 4

Didn't they consider the consequences of starting the war and taking hostages before they did it? They now demand that the victims of their aggression end the war they started without releasing hostages they took, before they even consider negotiating.

Ending wars comes after agreements are reached. Agreements come only after negotiations are concluded. Hamas will not begin negotiating unless an agreement precedes the negotiation. How batshit ridiculous is this?

Doesn't sound like an expression of willingness to negotiate anything. What in the world made you think it was?

Eko

(8,608 posts)

7. Nothing you said changes the fact.

Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 4, 2024, 05:30 PM

Nov 4

One side has said they will negotiate the end of the war.
The other says they will not end the war till all of their enemies are dead.

Beastly Boy

(11,316 posts)

8. No, for gawds sake, the side you are talking about WILL NOT negotiate!

Reply to Eko (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 4, 2024, 06:32 PM

Nov 4

They want the end of war as a PRECONDITION for negotiations!

What is your problem? Can't you read what Hamas is saying? It is not ME saying this, it is Hamas. You know, the Hamas you pretend will negotiate the end of war rather than demand the end of war as a point at which they may begin negotiations.

Or not.

Listen, do you want to be taken seriously or not?

Eko

(8,608 posts)

9. They have in the past just last year.

Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 4, 2024, 06:38 PM

Nov 4

Most of the hostages were released as part of a short-lived hostage-and-ceasefire deal agreed between Hamas and Israel that lasted November 24 to December 1..
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/12/world/hostage-israel-hamas-deal-dg/
History shows you are incorrect and I could care less if you, who says they have evidence for something but wont provide it, take me seriously or not.

Beastly Boy

(11,316 posts)

10. Ok-kay...

Reply to Eko (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 4, 2024, 06:43 PM

Nov 4

So you don't want to be taken seriously. You trust the people who started the war and took the hostages.

Good night. And make sure you vote for Harris tomorrow regardless of how you voted four years ago.

Eko

(8,608 posts)

11. How I voted four years ago?

Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 4, 2024, 06:44 PM

Nov 4

Obviously for Biden.

Eko

(8,608 posts)

12. This is funny coming from the guy that says hamas will not negotiate

Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 4, 2024, 07:27 PM

Nov 4

when they did so just last year. I also didn't in any way say that I trusted hamas at all but you have to make up positions that I have never taken to justify whatever you believe. I am not going to vote tomorrow as I already voted by mail. It was of course for Harris/Walz just as my vote 4 years ago was for Biden/Harris. I don't understand why you would attempt to attack me politically when your argument is shown to be false as I have been on here long enough to verify my Dem creds unless maybe your fee fee's were hurt and you just wanted to lash out emotionally. Hope you feel better.
Keep on keeponing.
Eko.

FBaggins

(27,802 posts)

13. Nonsensical spin - both sides are negotiating the end of the war

Reply to Eko (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 4, 2024, 08:20 PM

Nov 4

The real disagreement is entirely on whether or not Hamas continues to rule in Gaza when the war is over.

Hamas "stop killing us, leave our country, and we stay in charge - and we'll give what's left of the hostages back"

Israel - "Give us the hostages back and we'll stop killing you - but you're done as the government of Gaza"

Eko

(8,608 posts)

14. I have not seen where Israel says they will stop killing hamas when they turn over the hostages.

Reply to FBaggins (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 4, 2024, 08:30 PM

Nov 4

I actually seen the opposite. Feel free to share some links showing that they will stop.

Hanegbi’s comments came during a meeting with the families of the Israeli hostages. He said that a “stage one” deal for the return of hostages, classified under humanitarian grounds, could be reached soon, according to broadcaster Channel 12 and the daily Times of Israel.

However, Hanegbi reportedly told the families: "This government will not take a decision to stop the war for the return of all the hostages."

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-wont-end-gaza-war-even-if-hamas-releases-all-hostages-national-security-adviser/3236362