this might be the explosion that caused the clocks to stop 5 minutes before the official impact time of 9:37

Clip from National Geographic "Witness DC 9/11"



Many people haven't seen this Nat Geo program, it might have aired in the UK only.

was that there had been some kind of crash at the helioport at the Pentagon... a small plane or a helicopter crashed and started a fire. I never heard about this again until this presentation. The powers that be quickly buried the fact that there was more than one event at the Pentagon on 911.

The first news is often the most accurate news.

> ... quickly buried the fact that there was more than one event at the Pentagon on 911.

I'm sitting here trying to imagine how paranoid one would need to be to believe that, but not having much luck. But at the same time, I'm reminded of why I believe that the truth really does matter, and why bullshit peddlers like Honneger are an intellectual plague on society.

I watched a few minutes of the Honneger Show. She starts her presentation by claiming that PNAC "actually called in one of their publications for a new Pearl Harbor" and then she reads the infamous quote that definitely does mention Pearl Harbor. But as evil as the neocons are -- and they are -- that quote certainly doesn't "call for a new Pearl Harbor," which would be a rather stupid thing to do in a policy paper published on their website, anyway. The neocons are evil because they didn't hesitate to exploit 9/11 for their own ends (and I take the quote as implying they're okay with that), but here Honneger tries to pass off her paranoid and unsubstantiated interpretation of that quote as "actually" a fact and evidence that they planned the attack. Strike one.

Next, Honneger informs us that a year before 9/11, Aaron Russo was told by Nicolas Rockefeller "of the Rockefeller family" that an attack was going to happen. One serious problem with the story is that there isn't any Nicholas Rockefeller among the descendants of John D. Rockefeller, the railroad robber baron, and Russo seems to be the only person who knows this guy. It's also hard to imagine why a Rockefeller would reveal the "family" plans to control the world to a wingnut Libertarian tax resister and conspiracy nut like Aaron Russo, anyway, and why Russo would wait five years to "reveal" this damning information -- and to reveal it to Alex Jones, no less, rather than a legitimate news source (or at least a sane person). Sorry, but Russo's story has no credibility whatsoever, except among those who really, really wish they could find some evidence of a conspiracy and bullshit is good enough for them -- which apparently includes Honneger, so strike two for her credibility.

Next up, Honneger claims that PNAC had Rumsfeld "prepare the ground for seeing 9/11 as a 'surprise attack'" by handing out copies of a 1962 book on Pearl Harbor "pushing the false 'surprise attack' and 'intelligence failures' line" -- Honneger is a Pearl Harbor conspiracy nut too -- written by the wife of a "Zionist war hawk." Furthermore, Hollywood abetted this scheme by releasing the movie Pearl Harbor in early 2001.

We're only three claims into Honneger's talk and we're already knee-deep in bullshit. I pulled the plug on that video at that point, but I have read about other nonsense that Honneger peddles, like claiming that Rumsfeld was trying to cover up a "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars, and the astounding logic that a few minutes difference in the time shown on wall clocks found in the Pentagon debris proves that there was more than one "event." Apparently this crackerjack researcher didn't look very far into that "missing" claim, and perhaps she should investigate how wall clocks know what time it is.

Yes, the truth really does matter and you won't get there with an attention span of 3 minutes.

... to read something other than "truther" propaganda about the $2.3 trillion? Here's a site that's pretty useful when shoveling "truther" bullshit: http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Missing_Trillions

Here's what Rumsfeld was really talking about:

The idea that this is why Rumsfeld attacked the Pentagon is Grade A Bullshit. And this is the typical pattern found when you look into claims made by the "truth movement": The claims that have some basis in fact don't really prove anything, and the claims that seem to prove an "inside job" aren't factual. That's what typically happens if you start with a conclusion and sift through the evidence trying to cobble together an argument that sounds like you've reached a logical conclusion, but your conclusion is simply wrong.

And, by the way, your "attention span of 3 minutes" comment displays a typical "woo woo" behavior of convincing yourself that your opponents just don't know enough to reach the same conclusion as you, when in fact your real adversaries are people who know more than you.

who's speculation is it? do you even know? Guess everyone's got their opinions...

... and I have no use for the post-modern anti-science philosophy that reality is just a matter of opinion. Figuring out what is true is very often not easy, and sometimes not even possible because of a lack of information, but maybe you will find this advice helpful: "The Fine Art of Baloney Detection" from Carl Sagan's book The Demon-Haunted World.

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