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Related: About this forumDave Chappelle sets 'some conditions' for meeting with trans Netflix employees
Dave Chappelle reiterated during a recent stand-up performance that he is "more than willing" to meet with transgender Netflix employees regarding their concerns about his comedy special "The Closer" as long as they meet his three "conditions."
In a video posted Monday on Instagram, Chappelle addressed the long-brewing controversy surrounding his latest collaboration with Netflix, in which the veteran comic makes several transphobic remarks and other insensitive commentary.
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"To the transgender community: I am more than willing to give you an audience," Chappelle said. "But you will not summon me. I am not bending to anybodys demands. And if you want to meet with me, I would be more than willing to, but I have some conditions.
"First of all, you cannot come if you have not watched my special from beginning to end. You must come to a place of my choosing, at a time of my choosing. And thirdly, you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny."
"First of all, you cannot come if you have not watched my special from beginning to end. You must come to a place of my choosing, at a time of my choosing. And thirdly, you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny."
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Dave Chappelle sets 'some conditions' for meeting with trans Netflix employees (Original Post)
Behind the Aegis
Oct 2021
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FreeState
(10,692 posts)1. Ugg
And now we get to see if Earls post actually meant something or if excusing transphobia is allowable still. (Hint its not looking good - see GD thread).
icymist
(15,888 posts)2. More on the Chappell shit since he now thinks he's the victim here.
Free speech or hate speech? Netflix at eye of LGBTQ storm
Dave Chappelle to screen new documentary in Toronto next month amid Netflix controversy
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/dave-chappelle-to-screen-new-documentary-in-toronto-next-month-amid-netflix-controversy-1.5638782
What these trans comedians have to say about Dave Chappelle's jokes at their expense
https://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/entertainment/what-these-trans-comedians-have-to-say-about-dave-chappelles-jokes-at-their-expense/article_e0816a2c-285a-56cc-90dc-437a76842271.html
Netflix and Chappelle cant play harmless
..."In our country you can shoot and kill" a Black man, "but you'd better not hurt a gay person's feelings," says the stand-up comic, who is Black.
...In "The Closer," Chappelle describes a US rapper who "punched the LGBTQ community right in the AIDS," compares trans women to the use of Blackface, and jokes about threatening to kill a woman and stash her body in his car.
In a leaked memo, content chief Ted Sarandos wrote that "content on screen doesn't directly translate to real-world harm," and so the principle of free speech outweighs any offense taken -- including by its own employees.
https://news.yahoo.com/free-speech-hate-speech-netflix-012318087.html
...In "The Closer," Chappelle describes a US rapper who "punched the LGBTQ community right in the AIDS," compares trans women to the use of Blackface, and jokes about threatening to kill a woman and stash her body in his car.
In a leaked memo, content chief Ted Sarandos wrote that "content on screen doesn't directly translate to real-world harm," and so the principle of free speech outweighs any offense taken -- including by its own employees.
Dave Chappelle to screen new documentary in Toronto next month amid Netflix controversy
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/dave-chappelle-to-screen-new-documentary-in-toronto-next-month-amid-netflix-controversy-1.5638782
What these trans comedians have to say about Dave Chappelle's jokes at their expense
CNN spoke with four trans comedians about what they think Chappelle got wrong in "The Closer." Some said they had considered Chappelle a comedy hero. But three of the comedians said that, by targeting trans people -- trans women, mostly -- and adopting the language of opponents of trans rights, his comedy has mutated into something meaner, more dated and less impactful. (CNN has reached out to a representative for Chappelle and is waiting to hear back.)
Chappelle has been lauded throughout his career for forcing difficult topics on unsuspecting audiences and highlighting the absurdity and omnipotence of anti-Black racism. But his jokes about trans people only reflect his own intolerance, said Mx. Dahlia Belle, a Portland-based standup.
..."A joke should only be as offensive as necessary and, if it has to offend, it needs to be funnier than it is offensive," she told CNN. "No one should come away from a joke more offended than they are entertained. That's what makes it a joke."
Nat Puff, a Seattle comedian and musician with a large TikTok following and viral videos that predate that platform, said what disappointed her most about Chappelle's statements was the apparent hypocrisy. She quoted an empathetic statement Chappelle once made about how calling people "crazy" is dismissive, that those people are "strong" and it's their environment that's "a little sick."
"[The quote] shows so much awareness and, like, respect that he just does not show for trans people, which is the heartbreaking thing about it," Puff told CNN. "Like, I feel like he has good intentions with what he's saying. He doesn't seem like a hateful person, unlike J.K. Rowling. But the thing is, he's saying hateful sh*t regardless, no matter what his intent is."
Chappelle has been lauded throughout his career for forcing difficult topics on unsuspecting audiences and highlighting the absurdity and omnipotence of anti-Black racism. But his jokes about trans people only reflect his own intolerance, said Mx. Dahlia Belle, a Portland-based standup.
..."A joke should only be as offensive as necessary and, if it has to offend, it needs to be funnier than it is offensive," she told CNN. "No one should come away from a joke more offended than they are entertained. That's what makes it a joke."
Nat Puff, a Seattle comedian and musician with a large TikTok following and viral videos that predate that platform, said what disappointed her most about Chappelle's statements was the apparent hypocrisy. She quoted an empathetic statement Chappelle once made about how calling people "crazy" is dismissive, that those people are "strong" and it's their environment that's "a little sick."
"[The quote] shows so much awareness and, like, respect that he just does not show for trans people, which is the heartbreaking thing about it," Puff told CNN. "Like, I feel like he has good intentions with what he's saying. He doesn't seem like a hateful person, unlike J.K. Rowling. But the thing is, he's saying hateful sh*t regardless, no matter what his intent is."
https://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/entertainment/what-these-trans-comedians-have-to-say-about-dave-chappelles-jokes-at-their-expense/article_e0816a2c-285a-56cc-90dc-437a76842271.html
Netflix and Chappelle cant play harmless
...Chappelles The Closer spends a lot of time (more than youd think for a 48-year-old straight man) talking about the LGBTQ+ community. Chapelles last special Sticks & Stones was similarly controversial, with jokes (or jokes, depending on your perspective) about the LGBTQ+ community, abuse allegations against certain celebrities, and his defence of admitted (but unprosecuted) sex offender and comedian Louis C.K
...Its such a shame that Chappelles standup in the last few years has come to this. In his early career, Danielle Fuentes Morgan, who teaches a course on African American comedy at Santa Clara University, says that he punch[ed] up, to speak truth to power, to focus his attacks on injustices and institutions with discernibly more power than he had. Punching up or down is a concept usually discussed in the context of comedy. Punching up means criticizing and mocking a person, group of people, or institution with more power than you. Punching down is the reverse. In Chapelles case punching up would be white people, the police, the government for example, trans people decidedly belong to a group with less power than the cis-het millionaire. In The Closer, Chapelle acknowledges that hes been accused of punching down, and wonders what the phrase means. As Morgan writes, In teaching Chappelle, its become increasingly important to address how a person can be marginalized while also marginalizing others.
Ive written about the real world impact media has on minorities before, but comedians are a special case. Culturally, comedians have a bit of an outsider/underdog complex that many cant shake, even when they become famous millionaires. Theres even a common joke that comedians are themselves a minority group. And so they think they can joke about anything, forgetting they have influence, especially in the era of mass-produced, mass-streamed Netflix stand-up comedy.
https://theconcordian.com/2021/10/netflix-and-chappelle-cant-play-harmless/...Its such a shame that Chappelles standup in the last few years has come to this. In his early career, Danielle Fuentes Morgan, who teaches a course on African American comedy at Santa Clara University, says that he punch[ed] up, to speak truth to power, to focus his attacks on injustices and institutions with discernibly more power than he had. Punching up or down is a concept usually discussed in the context of comedy. Punching up means criticizing and mocking a person, group of people, or institution with more power than you. Punching down is the reverse. In Chapelles case punching up would be white people, the police, the government for example, trans people decidedly belong to a group with less power than the cis-het millionaire. In The Closer, Chapelle acknowledges that hes been accused of punching down, and wonders what the phrase means. As Morgan writes, In teaching Chappelle, its become increasingly important to address how a person can be marginalized while also marginalizing others.
Ive written about the real world impact media has on minorities before, but comedians are a special case. Culturally, comedians have a bit of an outsider/underdog complex that many cant shake, even when they become famous millionaires. Theres even a common joke that comedians are themselves a minority group. And so they think they can joke about anything, forgetting they have influence, especially in the era of mass-produced, mass-streamed Netflix stand-up comedy.