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Tumbulu

(6,445 posts)
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 10:28 PM Dec 2021

Until women demand that either the impregnating man or the state imposing forced production

of a child compensate them for the labor and risk of life it will just keep going this way.

Let’s start the conversation by talking about free healthcare for all women of childbearing age, free childcare. A model for financial compensation for the work of producing a baby begins by looking to what surrogates are paid.

If the government won’t step up to the task- notably because the republicans block anything reasonable, bonds should be required of all men capable of causing a pregnancy. If the state won’t fund these costs, then males should be forced to either have a vasectomy or post a million dollar bond. Any pregnancies that they cause the woman ( now forced to produce the child against her will) could draw upon for this for pain, suffering, risk of life and work.

It’s time to turn the tables here. Either individual males post bonds or the government pays. Child production forced upon anyone should not be uncompensated.

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Until women demand that either the impregnating man or the state imposing forced production (Original Post) Tumbulu Dec 2021 OP
And if she dies in childbirth, sue the state for wrongful death Freddie Dec 2021 #1
Excellent point. niyad Dec 2021 #3
Absolutely! Tumbulu Dec 2021 #7
This ought to make their little heads explode. The niyad Dec 2021 #2
Thank you for having the courage to speak to these kooks! Tumbulu Dec 2021 #8
I did more than talk. For a time, a group of us engaged in anti-protestor guerilla niyad Dec 2021 #12
Thank you! Tumbulu Dec 2021 #14
Similar circumstances. Kath2 Dec 2021 #10
You are my new hero. BigmanPigman Dec 2021 #11
Thank you! Tumbulu Dec 2021 #15
An alternative approach: Mike Niendorff Dec 2021 #4
Great! I like all ideas, except allowing these jerks to dump it Tumbulu Dec 2021 #9
That is absolutely perfect! Kath2 Dec 2021 #5
Thank you ! Tumbulu Dec 2021 #13
This leighbythesea2 Dec 2021 #6

Freddie

(9,691 posts)
1. And if she dies in childbirth, sue the state for wrongful death
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 10:33 PM
Dec 2021

Injured or health affects of unwanted childbearing? Sue.

niyad

(119,908 posts)
2. This ought to make their little heads explode. The
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 10:37 PM
Dec 2021

rationale will completely escape them. I used to tellbthe protestors at Planned Parenthood to put their money where their mouths were. If they were so anxious to force a woman to carry a pregnancy, they had to be willing to sign a binding contract to pay for the woman's, and the forced-birth child's, care and upkeep until that child graduated college. When they started sputtering, I pointed out that they clearly did not have the courage of their "convuctions".

niyad

(119,908 posts)
12. I did more than talk. For a time, a group of us engaged in anti-protestor guerilla
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 12:13 AM
Dec 2021

theater. We had hard hats, vests, boits, and huge road construction signs (don't ask how we got them!) that we changed to read, "WARNING: Dangerous fanatics zone ahead." We walked with them as they prayed (this bunch was organized by a catholic priest), singing "Every Sperm Is Sacred", and pointing out that their photoshop skills needed work, or somebody needed to be sued if those were actual photographs of aborted feti.

We also took our signs to a fred phelps outrage, adding stable brooms for the cleanup after.

(Side note: after this PP moved to its current location, it was the one where robert dear staged his mass shooting on Black Friday several years ago. He will, apparently, never be declared competent to stand trial.).

Kath2

(3,147 posts)
10. Similar circumstances.
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 10:59 PM
Dec 2021

I was a volunteer clinic escort (Planned Parenthood) and I left many a right wing religious fanatic speechless. I totally let loose on them when I was escorting a woman simply seeking her healthcare rights. They were absolutely sickening with their taunts about "killing your baby." I shut them up in no uncertain terms. And I really let them have it after I had escorted the patient. Proud to say I got a lot of them to quit showing up.

Mike Niendorff

(3,545 posts)
4. An alternative approach:
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 10:43 PM
Dec 2021

Suppose a state -- any state -- passes a law allowing any woman to sue anyone within that state's jurisdiction who impedes or prevents her from terminating a pregnancy. Damages to include 18 years of child support, plus pain and suffering, attorneys' fees, court costs, collection costs, and any other costs incurred by the plaintiff as a direct consequence of the defendant's impairment of her rights.

Oh yeah: and make it non-dischargeable in bankruptcy.


MDN

Kath2

(3,147 posts)
5. That is absolutely perfect!
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 10:44 PM
Dec 2021

Forced pregnancy is immoral and illegal. And it denies a woman her equal rights under the law. But if those right-wing scumbags choose to go there, your solution is beautiful. Love it.

leighbythesea2

(1,216 posts)
6. This
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 10:46 PM
Dec 2021

Is salient.
Of course, its wrong where we are with Roe.
But we also know, the birth rate is declining for some economic reasons listed here. My daughter is a millennial and cost for healthcare, childcare, housing in a good school district, etc all factor in. (There's the student loan situation too, real estate boom, and this is college educated specific reasoning--think of the non-degreed thinking/considerations).
There is an economic tidal wave a woman faces, if having a child.
Its so one-sided. Yes, include the other half here. Something should be at stake.

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