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George Carlin on Manly Men. (Original Post) Neoma Jan 2012 OP
Then there's the "taint" rfranklin Jan 2012 #1
?. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #2
For adults only.... rfranklin Jan 2012 #4
gotcha... thanks. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #5
that was fun. lol. all the while saying want to send to hubby and let boys listen seabeyond Jan 2012 #3
I love Carlin. He really cuts to the chase. --nt CrispyQ Jan 2012 #6
lol... oh my, what a lot of man-bashing! redqueen Jan 2012 #7
Testosterone Makes Us Less Cooperative and More Egocentric redqueen Feb 2012 #8
Testosterone link to aggression may be all in the mind seabeyond Feb 2012 #9
LOL, see, this is why I hate engaging in 'study battles'... redqueen Feb 2012 #10
let me know. i just tell my boys their testosterone seabeyond Feb 2012 #11
 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
4. For adults only....
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:38 PM
Jan 2012

The in between part....It taint the asshole, it taint the cunt. (Repeating Carlin's language.)

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
3. that was fun. lol. all the while saying want to send to hubby and let boys listen
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 05:46 PM
Jan 2012

do i? lol. nah. yes. nah. yes.

havent decided.

redqueen

(115,164 posts)
8. Testosterone Makes Us Less Cooperative and More Egocentric
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 06:47 PM
Feb 2012

I thought of this Carlin bit while reading this... thought I'd share it.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/120131210259.htm

ScienceDaily (Jan. 31, 2012) — Testosterone makes us overvalue our own opinions at the expense of cooperation, research from the Wellcome Trust Centre for Neuroimaging at UCL (University College London) has found. The findings may have implications for how group decisions are affected by dominant individuals.

Problem solving in groups can provide benefits over individual decisions as we are able to share our information and expertise. However, there is a tension between cooperation and self-orientated behaviour: although groups might benefit from a collective intelligence, collaborating too closely can lead to an uncritical groupthink, ending in decisions that are bad for all.

Attempts to understand the biological mechanisms behind group decision making have tended to focus on the factors that promote cooperation, and research has shown that people given a boost of the hormone oxytocin tend to be cooperative. Now, in a study recently published in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B, researchers have shown that the hormone testosterone has the opposite effect -- it makes people act less cooperatively and more egocentrically.

Dr Nick Wright and colleagues at the Wellcome Trust Centre for Neuroimaging at UCL carried out a series of tests using 17 pairs of female volunteers* who had previously never met. The test took place over two days, spaced a week apart. On one of the days, both volunteers in each pair were given a testosterone supplement; on the other day, they were given a placebo.

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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
9. Testosterone link to aggression may be all in the mind
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 08:13 PM
Feb 2012

and you reminded me of this study.....

The popular idea that testosterone always makes people more aggressive has been debunked by researchers. A team based in Switzerland has shown that the hormone can make people behave more fairly in an effort to defend their social status.

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But the idea that testosterone causes aggression in humans, as it clearly does in rodents, is so firmly ingrained in the human psyche that women who believed they had been given testosterone — whether or not they had — bargained much less fairly. Women, not men, were tested because they have less variable 'baseline' blood testosterone levels.

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Adam Goodie, a psychologist at the University of Georgia in Athens who works on decision-making, says: "The paper is a major blow to the popular wisdom that testosterone simply makes you more aggressive and less cooperative — the true picture is not nearly as negative."

"And it takes the field of neuroeconomics an important step further by showing that not only does biology affect economic behaviour — but so does belief," he adds.

http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091208/full/news.2009.1131.html

redqueen

(115,164 posts)
10. LOL, see, this is why I hate engaging in 'study battles'...
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:03 PM
Feb 2012

The study described at the link you posted gave a completely different result than the study described at the one I posted.

I don't have the patience to read through the methodologies used so I might take a look for peer review commentary on both of them.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. let me know. i just tell my boys their testosterone
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:06 PM
Feb 2012

is not the be all end all, so knock it off, lol.

dont hear us going around flaunting our estrogen. lol

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