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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 12:53 PM Feb 2012

i would like to make a proposal for this forum. i would like to suggest that we keep all

outside confrontations with other forums/people in meta, and keep the feminist forum for feminist issues.

i am not saying this well, and all can help to discuss and define. not a rule. i am not really into making rules. but, when we have issues like we have had recently, have a thread in meta for the drama, trauma of it all.

i will be the first to say, i have brought jury votes into this forum. which could have brought other people into the forum who really have no reason or desire to participate in this forum, per our statement.

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i would like to make a proposal for this forum. i would like to suggest that we keep all (Original Post) seabeyond Feb 2012 OP
Get it off the latest page. WingDinger Feb 2012 #1
ah... but then you guys wont knwo to come in here and participate in topics you are interested in seabeyond Feb 2012 #2
Maybe a non contentious feminist page, only for edification and WingDinger Feb 2012 #3
huh? lol. you are over my head in org and tech skill, lol seabeyond Feb 2012 #4
"Have a thread in meta" - can somebody translate this into English?? kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #5
meta... meta and help forum. it is where gripes go. thread.... seabeyond Feb 2012 #6
I like this idea wildflower Feb 2012 #7
you are the 3rd or 4th to suggest that on the blocking. one warning.... and boom seabeyond Feb 2012 #8
I wonder if there's a way to rig juries JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #9
There isn't any way to do what you suggest. laconicsax Feb 2012 #19
I don't think that is necessary. All groups should uphold DU community standards, imo. yardwork Feb 2012 #28
That's a good and long overdue proposal... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #10
after posting this, i had a post hidden. i so wanted to start another thread. but took it to meta. seabeyond Feb 2012 #11
Your thread in Meta has turned out to be very good, lots of good discussion there. yardwork Feb 2012 #12
i think it did, too seabeyond Feb 2012 #13
.... yardwork Feb 2012 #14
Wouldn't that be using the Help & Meta forum as this group's trash heap? UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #15
no. it would be used to address issues we have on du. and i think that is absolutely the intent seabeyond Feb 2012 #16
It would be using Help & Meta to stage toxic flame wars you'd rather not have in this forum. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #17
it would eb using meta as intended to address the issues at du instead of the forum seabeyond Feb 2012 #18
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we are being "nice ladies" and not even warning them. the poster felt the need to take it to META seabeyond Feb 2012 #21
I see the thread in Meta, but I don't read it as a call-out of you or of your post here. yardwork Feb 2012 #26
flame wars as opposed to issues concerning du, is a reasonable and respectful? nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #31
Please show me the quote. I may be being dense. yardwork Feb 2012 #32
Since when do you get to decide who has "no fucking business in this forum"? LeftyMom Feb 2012 #22
they are not talking about feminist issues. they are breaking the SOP rules. seabeyond Feb 2012 #23
Discussing how the group is run is certainly on-topic. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #24
Where are SOP rules being broken in this thread? yardwork Feb 2012 #27
this is about disrupting the feminist forum. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #29
???? I am not trying to be difficult, I really don't see it. yardwork Feb 2012 #30
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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. ah... but then you guys wont knwo to come in here and participate in topics you are interested in
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 01:07 PM
Feb 2012

i love having the traffic and various opinion and thought. and i love having them in an environment we have to think and discuss, per the rules, instead of namecalling and snarky comments.

there is no way i want it off the front page.

and this is more for us members. when we are going to get in a fight, take it out of this forum and do it in meta.

 

WingDinger

(3,690 posts)
3. Maybe a non contentious feminist page, only for edification and
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 01:16 PM
Feb 2012

telling of coming events, developments and other announcements?

Leaving the one to hash out coalitions?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
6. meta... meta and help forum. it is where gripes go. thread....
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 01:51 PM
Feb 2012

it is what we create on these board in which to have a discussions with many posts.

wildflower

(3,198 posts)
7. I like this idea
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 01:53 PM
Feb 2012

Sorry I'm coming in late to this. I think your idea is good.

Also, is there a policy on blocking? For example, someone who comes in here and posts (e.g. "there is no sexism anymore, you ladies need to chill out&quot is warned once to read the SoP, then blocked after that?

I think having these two policies in place would help a lot to make the group a safe haven. But a lot of this would be up to the hosts (locking and blocking), so I hope they weigh in.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. you are the 3rd or 4th to suggest that on the blocking. one warning.... and boom
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 01:56 PM
Feb 2012

blocked.

sigh.... i am not good at that. but i have all the faith in the world there are other host that are better than i.....

ALL of the women on this board is part of the creation of it, imo. and though i may not be good at it, all one has to do is pm me and let me know how they feel.

cause

if you havent heard, lol

i really am not good at it.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,762 posts)
9. I wonder if there's a way to rig juries
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 04:51 PM
Feb 2012

so that alerts in the Feminist group would be handled by juries made up of members of that group.

As you indicated, alerts will draw jurors from anywhere, who are judging posts in a forum that to some extent has its own language. Or at least it has very specific definitions for certain words. No way jurors are going to learn the language, not from a few posts.

Then, because some jurors made a "wrong" decision, the arguments are brought up in H&M, complete with more links back to the Feminist forum, compounding the problem.

I don't know what to make of "closed" or "protected" forums, but if we're going to have them, the software should support/enforce the closure.

yardwork

(64,318 posts)
28. I don't think that is necessary. All groups should uphold DU community standards, imo.
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 04:33 PM
Feb 2012

Yes, sometimes juries miss nuance and may not understand the culture of a particular group, but really, no DU group should be allowing discourse that would be unallowable elsewhere on the site.

Violet_Crumble

(36,142 posts)
10. That's a good and long overdue proposal...
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 09:53 PM
Feb 2012

In doing so, it makes it much clearer to spot if people turn up to disrupt the group

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
11. after posting this, i had a post hidden. i so wanted to start another thread. but took it to meta.
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 10:10 PM
Feb 2012

it worked out really well. i think this is doable.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
15. Wouldn't that be using the Help & Meta forum as this group's trash heap?
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 01:14 PM
Feb 2012

I don't think this is what Help & Meta was created for.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
16. no. it would be used to address issues we have on du. and i think that is absolutely the intent
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 01:19 PM
Feb 2012

of meta

thanks for playing.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
17. It would be using Help & Meta to stage toxic flame wars you'd rather not have in this forum.
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 01:24 PM
Feb 2012

You said as much in the OP.

but, when we have issues like we have had recently, have a thread in meta for the drama, trauma of it all.




 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
18. it would eb using meta as intended to address the issues at du instead of the forum
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 01:52 PM
Feb 2012

where it does not belong.

Response to seabeyond (Original post)

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
21. we are being "nice ladies" and not even warning them. the poster felt the need to take it to META
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 04:16 PM
Feb 2012

and have a discussion about this OP so people can go in and trash us there. lol. or me, anyway

yardwork

(64,318 posts)
26. I see the thread in Meta, but I don't read it as a call-out of you or of your post here.
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 04:27 PM
Feb 2012

I think that the poster has a reasonable question. We're still working our way through new DU. What is the appropriate role of Meta? I felt that the poster asked that question in a reasonable and respectful manner.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
22. Since when do you get to decide who has "no fucking business in this forum"?
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 04:19 PM
Feb 2012

From what I can tell a lot of people WANT to talk about feminism and can't because of the way this forum is currently being run. Trying to run off anybody who disagrees with you is not acceptable behavior and it's certainly not promoting feminist discourse on this site.

Hell, if this was my first experience with discussion of feminist theory, I'd run screaming.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
23. they are not talking about feminist issues. they are breaking the SOP rules.
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 04:21 PM
Feb 2012

she is a host.

it is her job.

yardwork

(64,318 posts)
30. ???? I am not trying to be difficult, I really don't see it.
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 04:35 PM
Feb 2012

Edited to add - I don't see any disruption of this group by outsiders.

Response to LeftyMom (Reply #22)

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