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Neoma

(10,039 posts)
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 06:45 PM Feb 2012

I will not be resigning as lead host at this time.

It is my goal to make the Feminist forum a vibrant and helpful group for its members.
Because this is my goal, I do not feel that resigning would further this goal.

Thank you for your patience.

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I will not be resigning as lead host at this time. (Original Post) Neoma Feb 2012 OP
Thank you for your service. WheelWalker Feb 2012 #1
i dont think you should step down either La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #2
Agreed n/t obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #4
I think that right now we need some quiet time The empressof all Feb 2012 #3
^_^ This. nt justiceischeap Feb 2012 #6
agree maddezmom Feb 2012 #7
+1 redqueen Feb 2012 #8
I don't think there is any question that it needs to be revisited. redqueen Feb 2012 #18
It's best to take a breathe The empressof all Feb 2012 #21
Oh yes, redqueen Feb 2012 #22
how unfortunate iverglas Feb 2012 #5
Perhaps you should explain why we must tolerate your toxic behavior The empressof all Feb 2012 #9
Frankly, if I were still a host iverglas Feb 2012 #11
ROFL The empressof all Feb 2012 #12
what exactly has empress done that she needs a week long break? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #15
Don't agree with a week break but empresses post was nasty Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #19
i get it. when all this started getting messing. i suggested we discuss rules and get things in seabeyond Feb 2012 #32
I thought you were the one advocating not fanning any flames? Remember Me Feb 2012 #26
You know, I don't know Neoma at all... TheWraith Feb 2012 #17
there are still rules in this forum. if you cannot follow the rules, you cannot participate. seabeyond Feb 2012 #23
Then I won't be participating in this group anymore Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #10
Good luck to you, Neoma. Lisa D Feb 2012 #13
You need to step down, Neoma Remember Me Feb 2012 #14
I'm in favor of your continued service, LeftyMom Feb 2012 #16
What are you talking about? nt redqueen Feb 2012 #20
They didn't invite you? LeftyMom Feb 2012 #25
I'm curious. Have u ever posted about feminism in this group? Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #28
As I stated in another discussion, I'd like to see some reasonable ground rules for a safe and LeftyMom Feb 2012 #33
did you really iverglas Feb 2012 #41
As I said the last time you asked, I do believe several more were lost to thread/subthread deletions LeftyMom Feb 2012 #46
if you are a disruptor, and not a member and regular user of the group, you do. seabeyond Feb 2012 #52
yeah iverglas Feb 2012 #53
So you haven't posted about feminism in this group Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #49
we understand that as we particpated in host communication, neoma gave people attacking our forum seabeyond Feb 2012 #30
the forum isn't just the 4/5 of you who are hosts La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #31
how do the LGBT hosts communicate? iverglas Feb 2012 #34
i KNOW that the hosts make decisions between each other. why pretend otherwise? seabeyond Feb 2012 #40
FWIW, I got the link from two people. Neither of them is Neoma. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #35
i too got it from someone who is not Neoma La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #38
and I'll bet you've asked where all these people got the link, right? iverglas Feb 2012 #43
why would i be surprised that you did not get it directly from neoma. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #42
Just to be clear... The empressof all Feb 2012 #39
are you telling me in all these forums and groups, the hosts have the discussion amongst the members seabeyond Feb 2012 #44
clear about what? iverglas Feb 2012 #47
No one is attacking our forum The empressof all Feb 2012 #54
when a poster comes in and does no more than attack members and call them out, seabeyond Feb 2012 #58
I'm curious. Lisa D Feb 2012 #59
aren't you supposed to know what you're talking about now? iverglas Feb 2012 #61
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #24
I didn't set up the hosts forum on DU, but I haven't said anything there I won't own. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #27
excuse me iverglas Feb 2012 #29
Why do you keep bringing up the LGBT hosts? LeftyMom Feb 2012 #37
Gosh, I wonder iverglas Feb 2012 #50
You mean pointing out that some of the posters in this group were transphobes AND obvious socks? LeftyMom Feb 2012 #56
in an effort for transparency, here is what I posted in the MIRt forum maddezmom Feb 2012 #45
I refer you to post 50 iverglas Feb 2012 #51
I looked at 50 and it doesn't speak to my post at all maddezmom Feb 2012 #57
How is this even helpful here? The empressof all Feb 2012 #36
really? ya, lets. for the umpteenth time. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Feb 2012 #55
aren't you guys still the hosts? its not like she is the only host, so clean up is not just her duty La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #60
sea, you are still a host here and if you think someone is being disruptive maddezmom Feb 2012 #62

WheelWalker

(9,199 posts)
1. Thank you for your service.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 06:47 PM
Feb 2012
 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
2. i dont think you should step down either
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 06:49 PM
Feb 2012

obamanut2012

(27,802 posts)
4. Agreed n/t
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 06:55 PM
Feb 2012

The empressof all

(29,100 posts)
3. I think that right now we need some quiet time
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 06:49 PM
Feb 2012

I support you on this decision and hope that sometime in the future if needed we can revisit any issues of hosting with calm and clear heads

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
6. ^_^ This. nt
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:05 PM
Feb 2012

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
7. agree
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:08 PM
Feb 2012

seems like we're making some headway due to redqueen's earlier thread in the group.

redqueen

(115,164 posts)
8. +1
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:11 PM
Feb 2012

redqueen

(115,164 posts)
18. I don't think there is any question that it needs to be revisited.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:52 PM
Feb 2012

I agree it should be done calmly.

The main host has to be decided by the group. Since I did not add the co hosts in any particular order this means a new host has to be decided by the group, same as last time.

The empressof all

(29,100 posts)
21. It's best to take a breathe
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:56 PM
Feb 2012

Frankly this whole kerfluffle could result in our losing all our hosts. Skinner has suggested that before.

We are best served to give this some time and let things settle down a bit.

I don't think we need to feel pressured to act right now.

redqueen

(115,164 posts)
22. Oh yes,
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:59 PM
Feb 2012

I agree with that too, I just wanted to state that about the rules regarding appointing a host.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
5. how unfortunate
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 06:56 PM
Feb 2012

Since no one ever selected you as lead host, and your landing in that position was purely a matter of the random order in which redqueen entered the names of co-hosts in the list, perhaps you would have the courtesy to explain that decision.

Your behaviour has been appalling in several ways (do you really think that passing on the content of PMs given to you in confidence, so that someone who you know will misrepresent that content will do just that, is decent behaviour?), Any person acting in good faith would resign and seek the confidence of the group for reappointment.

Anyone who does not think that Neoma should resign really ought to provide their rationale for that position as well, I would say.


PS -- I'm sure you will understand when I say that I don't care a whit what your goal is. The group's forum is not your private property, in case you hadn't noticed that by now.

The empressof all

(29,100 posts)
9. Perhaps you should explain why we must tolerate your toxic behavior
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:12 PM
Feb 2012

Frankly, If I were a host here I would have banned you long ago.

Sometimes serendipity is a good thing.

Neoma is the lead host for now and I don't have to defend that to you.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
11. Frankly, if I were still a host
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:28 PM
Feb 2012

I would submit to the rest of the hosts that anyone who behaves as you have just done should be asked to step back and return in a week when they are capable of behaving in a decent manner.

Neoma is the lead host purely by virtue of squatting, and all of you know as well as the rest of us do that there is only one reason why she has all this "support". There's a thread in H&M about the term that applies at the moment.

The young 'uns sure have learned how to manipulate for fun and profit -- although hell, I have yet to figure out what the fun is, and how they expect to profit. But what e ver.

To any jurors looking in: please read the post I am replying to and consider how measured this response is.

The empressof all

(29,100 posts)
12. ROFL
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:33 PM
Feb 2012
 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
15. what exactly has empress done that she needs a week long break?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:26 PM
Feb 2012

Violet_Crumble

(36,142 posts)
19. Don't agree with a week break but empresses post was nasty
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:52 PM
Feb 2012

So much for all the getting along stuff I saw in another thread. Seriously, I wish you'd all quit it with the attacks and the focus on other duers. Each and every one of you (I use that word generally) should be fucking ashamed of yrselves. This crap is scaring people off and very few seem to care

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
32. i get it. when all this started getting messing. i suggested we discuss rules and get things in
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:29 PM
Feb 2012

order.

neoma wanted to do in the host forum and since all the people in there are the ones attacking the feminist forum, we said NO. no wonder she was so insistent we have our discussions in the forum. then she would not have to pm them what we said. they could just read it.

is there a head slapping thing.

 

Remember Me

(1,532 posts)
26. I thought you were the one advocating not fanning any flames?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:15 PM
Feb 2012

Not exactly the way to do that...

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
17. You know, I don't know Neoma at all...
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:31 PM
Feb 2012

But I know you, and you complaining about someone else's "appalling behavior" is like the Republicans calling someone else obstructionist.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
23. there are still rules in this forum. if you cannot follow the rules, you cannot participate.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:02 PM
Feb 2012

this is a safe haven for our members from attack.

Violet_Crumble

(36,142 posts)
10. Then I won't be participating in this group anymore
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:19 PM
Feb 2012

Sorry but you weren't voted in as lead host and got it automatically when the lead host took a break. Unless she no longer wants the role I think you should step down to allow the shuffling to happen so she can be lead host and u guys can be brought back in as cohosts

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)
13. Good luck to you, Neoma.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:37 PM
Feb 2012

I'm sure many people here share that goal.

 

Remember Me

(1,532 posts)
14. You need to step down, Neoma
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:50 PM
Feb 2012

You took unilateral action against iverglas for personal reasons (as you shared with me via PM). That's inappropriate in the extreme.

The unilateral action was entirely against the joint agreement all the co-hosts had made that such things would be handled by consensus. Again, inappropriate in the extreme.

You let all the disharmony continue -- until FINALLY redqueen stepped in and locked today's thread and re-established some semblance of peace (short-lived, perhaps).

You have a weird idea of what the Feminist Group should be about -- your believe therfe's too much discussion of gender in the Feminist forum????

None of these are appropriate for the main Host. I doubt if any of the other co-hosts have any trust or faith in you. If they DO, if all of them feel your staying is okay, then I won't object.


And btw, on a completely different note: I didn't get a chance to address this, but someone in another thread suggested me as a possible co-host. Thanks but a big no thanks. Absolutely not a job I'm willing to do. Certainly not here. So, just wanted to make sure no one thinks my opposition to Neoma has anything to do with any "ambitions" of my own. I have none.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
16. I'm in favor of your continued service,
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:29 PM
Feb 2012

provided you won't be maintaining the secret host site the prior host maintained to avoid transparency. Sunlight is an excellent disinfectant.

redqueen

(115,164 posts)
20. What are you talking about? nt
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:53 PM
Feb 2012

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
25. They didn't invite you?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:14 PM
Feb 2012

The private forum iverglas set up for the Feminism hosts. Would you like screencaps?

Violet_Crumble

(36,142 posts)
28. I'm curious. Have u ever posted about feminism in this group?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:21 PM
Feb 2012

I don't recall seeing anything but there's a clear pattern emerging in that yr posts are focused on iverglas.

It's really none of yr business how hosts in any group or forum choose to communicate btw

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
33. As I stated in another discussion, I'd like to see some reasonable ground rules for a safe and
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:31 PM
Feb 2012

supportive feminist discussion to occur on DU. I posted a few times on DU2, and quickly got the idea that the group was a very closed circle and only a very narrow definition of feminism would be tolerated. It's a new forum, and I'd like to see things run better because I do think it's in the interest of the forum as a whole to have a healthy discussion that reflects the breadth of feminist thought and experience.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
41. did you really
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:39 PM
Feb 2012

Here are the sum total of your posts in the Feminists forum at old DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=341&topic_id=4510

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=341&topic_id=4742

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=341&topic_id=4606

That last one -- wowsers, how did you survive all that meanness???


Three threads in the space of a month. What happened in September 2005 to make you so afraid?

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
46. As I said the last time you asked, I do believe several more were lost to thread/subthread deletions
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:43 PM
Feb 2012

as I recall more posts than that.

In addition, as I said the last time you asked, I'm a woman and a feminist and a longtime user of this website. I don't have to justify either my identity as a feminist nor my use of this group to you.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
52. if you are a disruptor, and not a member and regular user of the group, you do.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:49 PM
Feb 2012

then you break the SOP rules, just like any other safe haven group on this site.

if your only posts are attacks, call out and disrupting, and not talking about feminist issue, you break the very WEAK rules we have here.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
53. yeah
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:49 PM
Feb 2012

right.

Violet_Crumble

(36,142 posts)
49. So you haven't posted about feminism in this group
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:45 PM
Feb 2012

I really wish you'd try participating here by joining in some of the threads that are about feminism rather than just bickering. If everyone stops this crap then people like me and others who are uncomfortable with all this won't end up leaving.

Btw on what shouldn't be tolerate here I think there should be no tolerance for personal attacks on group members from blow ins

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
30. we understand that as we particpated in host communication, neoma gave people attacking our forum
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:23 PM
Feb 2012

the info. she gave people private pms. she is not working for our forum, but against our interest. why should we trust her as an host.

and what does it matter if we found a more convenient way to communicate than pm, between four people. is that against the rules?

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
31. the forum isn't just the 4/5 of you who are hosts
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:27 PM
Feb 2012

its for the rest of us too.

its not against the rules to communicate differently, but the fact that you chose to make it so private makes me not trust any of you at all


 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
34. how do the LGBT hosts communicate?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:31 PM
Feb 2012

Would you like to reproduce here the thread from the Hosts forum that they LGBT hosts told everyone else to stay out of?

It was quite the little showpiece.

Did you make sure that everyone who has ever posted in LGBT was shown the contents of that thread, and of every PM exchanged among/between hosts about the conduct of the group?

Great big fucking dirty black pot, kettle.

Some other people have a decent respect for persons and do not behave like that.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
40. i KNOW that the hosts make decisions between each other. why pretend otherwise?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:38 PM
Feb 2012

and the only time i blocked someone i not only listened to two hosts but three regular posters, so i get that too. still, not seeing the gotcha you all think you have

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
35. FWIW, I got the link from two people. Neither of them is Neoma.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:32 PM
Feb 2012

Some of us are pretty good at this internet thing.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
38. i too got it from someone who is not Neoma
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:36 PM
Feb 2012

so stop blaming her for the link getting out

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
43. and I'll bet you've asked where all these people got the link, right?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:40 PM
Feb 2012

Fer chrissakes.

Talk about fucking transparent.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
42. why would i be surprised that you did not get it directly from neoma. nt
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:40 PM
Feb 2012

The empressof all

(29,100 posts)
39. Just to be clear...
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:36 PM
Feb 2012

There is no confidentiality required amongst hosts. That was done away with when the mods went away. The hosts are not moderators.....

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
44. are you telling me in all these forums and groups, the hosts have the discussion amongst the members
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:42 PM
Feb 2012

no pms?

none?

no just between hosts?

really?

i started a thread in the host forum asking any tips on how to go about it. no one mentioned having conversation on the forum so everyone participated

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
47. clear about what?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:45 PM
Feb 2012

Did someone say there is confidentiality required among hosts?

Interestingly, however, the Hosts forum is not open to public view ...

Confidentiality is not required.

Trustworthiness is expected.

If Neoma thinks there is nothing wrong with passing along PMs and links to internet sites that she was given in confidence, let's have her come here and say so.

If she thinks it's so fine and dandy to behave that way, let's ask her why she thought it best to do it secretly and not inform the people who had trusted her discretion.

I wouldn't be putting my eggs in that basket if I were some people I can think of.

Please do pass your screenshots on to the people whom the hosts discussed in private. I'm sure they'll be thrilled to know the world and its dog is now viewing the discussions.

Or at least I'm sure they'll say they are.

The empressof all

(29,100 posts)
54. No one is attacking our forum
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:50 PM
Feb 2012

People may post things that we might not like but no one is slamming the Feminists. There are personality conflicts that have to do with individual members...It is not about all of us.

If someone goes and says something offensive in another group...they don't speak for me and likewise if a member of another group comes here and says something offensive they don't speak for their group.

This isn't the school yard. We need to smash cliques not encourage them

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
58. when a poster comes in and does no more than attack members and call them out,
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:53 PM
Feb 2012

and does not particpate in what this forum is about.... they are disruptors per the SOP. that is clearly a rule violation

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)
59. I'm curious.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:59 PM
Feb 2012

There are also posters attacking and calling out Neoma, with no proof that I have seen. Is that also a rule violation?

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
61. aren't you supposed to know what you're talking about now?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:01 PM
Feb 2012

Or has nobody given you the links?

The people whose banning was discussed were not parties to this ongoing attack. They were just lone attackers. You know, how feminists spend too much time talking about gender. (You'll notice that Neoma thought that was an eminently reasonable complaint ... the problem of hating men because they're men and so on ... certainly a major feature of this forum, we'll all agree.)

No cliques involved. Sorry.

But really, if you haven't got that url yet, you don't seem to have made it into the real clique.

Ask Neoma. I'm sure she'll pass it on.

Response to LeftyMom (Reply #16)

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
27. I didn't set up the hosts forum on DU, but I haven't said anything there I won't own.
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:17 PM
Feb 2012

I have caps of the offsite forum you set up to discuss which DUers you wanted to ban from Feminists without having to listen to anybody who disagrees. Since you're a new convert to transparency would you like to post a link or should I host screencaps?

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
29. excuse me
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:21 PM
Feb 2012

Hosts of forums discuss banning individuals from forums.

What did you think hosts do?

Perhaps you can explain to me how doing that privately is not nice, while doing it publicly (WHICH THE LGBT GROUP HOSTS DID IN THE HOSTS FORUM) is perfectly charming?

You're not the only one with screenshots.

There were discussions of banning three individuals, I recall. At least one or two of them were then banned. By at least majority vote of the hosts. They were banned for VIOLATING THE SoP OF THE GROUP.

Anybody you'd like to ban? Just tell Neoma. She'll be happy to do it for you. She'll be happy to do just about anything some people want, from what I can tell. Does somebody actually think she came up with the idea of removing me as co-host / banning me from posting all by her lonesome?

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
37. Why do you keep bringing up the LGBT hosts?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:34 PM
Feb 2012

There are hundreds of groups and forums on this site. Why focus on that one?

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
50. Gosh, I wonder
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:46 PM
Feb 2012

Could it be because it is the hosts of that group who have instigated and participated in and permitted vicious deceitful personal attacks on women from this group, in the LGBT group forum and in the Hosts forum?

I wonder.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
56. You mean pointing out that some of the posters in this group were transphobes AND obvious socks?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:51 PM
Feb 2012

That's not an attack on this group. If anything that's defending this group from malicious disruptors posting under false guises. In any case it's an awfully strange thing to be sore about, unless you condone that sort of behavior.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
45. in an effort for transparency, here is what I posted in the MIRt forum
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:42 PM
Feb 2012

regarding you and I stand by my comment:

maddezmom

19. her record here mirrors her record on DU2
she was always near or at the top of the disruption leader board when she was participating(she leaves the site for weeks, months at a time) and was up for a nuke vote more times than I can remember. I really think this is up to Admin and I hope they take a look at her hidden posts, other posts defending transbigotry and TOS violation regarding circumventing the system.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1240&pid=43295

and fwiw, I think you have a lot of life experience and knowlege about a mulitude of subjects but you can't seem to conduct yourself in a civil manner when others disagree with you. I'd have hoped you would have taken your block and all your hidden posts as a signal to reflect.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
51. I refer you to post 50
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:48 PM
Feb 2012

and to the fact that you have just provided the evidence of what I said.


I'd have hoped you would have taken your block and all your hidden posts as a signal to reflect.



Friend, I took them as exactly what they were.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
57. I looked at 50 and it doesn't speak to my post at all
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:52 PM
Feb 2012

sorry, I was speaking to your record before DU3 or anything that has happened here.

The empressof all

(29,100 posts)
36. How is this even helpful here?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:33 PM
Feb 2012

I'm sure your intent was good but frankly this line of discussion does nothing but give fodder for ammunition in this stupid battle.

All of you please cut it out. Me included....

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
48. really? ya, lets. for the umpteenth time. nt
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:45 PM
Feb 2012

Response to Neoma (Original post)

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
60. aren't you guys still the hosts? its not like she is the only host, so clean up is not just her duty
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:00 PM
Feb 2012

right?

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
62. sea, you are still a host here and if you think someone is being disruptive
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 10:02 PM
Feb 2012

you have the authority as a host to do something if you feel it's needed. I'm not sure what tools you and the other hosts have in place since I'm not a host here but don't put it all on her.

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