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redqueen

(115,164 posts)
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 12:15 AM Feb 2012

Neoma just terminated laconicsax and me as co-hosts.

This discussion thread was locked by Neoma (a host of the Feminists group).

Just FYI.

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Neoma just terminated laconicsax and me as co-hosts. (Original Post) redqueen Feb 2012 OP
Reason why, up top. Neoma Feb 2012 #1
was this an unilateral decision? i thought you said absolutely NO unilateral decision making seabeyond Feb 2012 #2
Fuck this. I'm heading off to the other group Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #7
. seabeyond Feb 2012 #8
Because thats easier than being part of the solution. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #15
no one who USES the forum want neoma. all you outside of the forum cheer, and feed the frenzy seabeyond Feb 2012 #16
No one? Lisa D Feb 2012 #21
I've been reading all of this and I see 4 people that all are hating on her snooper2 Feb 2012 #24
There are many who would use the forum if it were not so exclusive. LiberalAndProud Feb 2012 #37
so you chose to leave. did someone ask you to leave? did anyone force you to leave? Scout Feb 2012 #38
Of course not. LiberalAndProud Feb 2012 #40
Oh, don't worry. I'm staying right here till Neoma blocks me for daring to disagree with her... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #20
And CrispyQ and seabeyond. laconicsax Feb 2012 #3
yup. i guess that means consulting others dont matter anymore. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #4
Bad Move DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #5
This is a massive abuse of hosting powers Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #6
I got drug into this nightmare as a juror (I am a GD, Video, LBN, & Econ only poster) and I must say stockholmer Feb 2012 #9
we did have a vote. all members that use this forum has voted redqueen. no one who uses this forum seabeyond Feb 2012 #10
well, if a vote is now considered a coup d' etat, perhaps the foundational DU rules need to be stockholmer Feb 2012 #12
she did a lotta lotta damage, that is for sure. appalling. thank you. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #13
First, thank you for your sane, supportive comments. BlueIris Feb 2012 #11
"I am interested to read the perspectives of those who do not regularly post here." Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #18
There were two threads about who the group wanted as hosts, Neoma locked both of them. laconicsax Feb 2012 #14
The purpose is reinforcing stereotypes in order to keep the plebes in line. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #17
this also sets a bad precedent for other groups in DU as well stockholmer Feb 2012 #19
This is my 10th year. efhmc Feb 2012 #36
you are participating in a feeding frenzy for the entertainment value, and you have the audacity seabeyond Feb 2012 #22
(laconicsax and me) should be (laconicsax and I) FYI snooper2 Feb 2012 #23
Try this: redqueen Feb 2012 #25
That's a different sentence snooper2 Feb 2012 #26
This forum was cool. redqueen Feb 2012 #27
Looks like it is supposed to be me..That just never sounds right... snooper2 Feb 2012 #29
That's good... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #32
LOL...There's a reason the count the errors snooper2 Feb 2012 #35
Good for you. nt redqueen Feb 2012 #33
I always thought it doesn't sound right, either... MadrasT Feb 2012 #34
You, of course, are correct. Doesn't anyone teach nominative and objective efhmc Feb 2012 #39
Actually, "laconicsax and me" is correct n/t MadrasT Feb 2012 #28
just FYI, you are wrong. n/t Scout Feb 2012 #30
Yep, I need to go back to school LOL snooper2 Feb 2012 #31
More fail. n/t JTFrog Feb 2012 #41
Failure is good, unless you repeat the same failures over and over.. snooper2 Feb 2012 #42

Neoma

(10,039 posts)
1. Reason why, up top.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 12:19 AM
Feb 2012
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. was this an unilateral decision? i thought you said absolutely NO unilateral decision making
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 12:26 AM
Feb 2012

from any of us?

Violet_Crumble

(36,142 posts)
7. Fuck this. I'm heading off to the other group
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 01:34 AM
Feb 2012

I have a massive problem with the abuse of power that remaining host has displayed. And I thought Labor party factions were ruthless in their quest for power. They've got nothing on this!

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. .
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 01:38 AM
Feb 2012

Ruby the Liberal

(26,312 posts)
15. Because thats easier than being part of the solution.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 02:40 AM
Feb 2012
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
16. no one who USES the forum want neoma. all you outside of the forum cheer, and feed the frenzy
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 02:43 AM
Feb 2012

because it is a fun game for you all.

the people that USE the forum do not trust or want neoma as a host.

you are outside the forum. you dont use the forum. you dont know the forum. yet you come in here and tell us what we need to do.

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)
21. No one?
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 03:23 AM
Feb 2012

I haven't said whether I want Neoma to stay or go and I use this forum. Seabeyond, here is the problem when people say they feel unwelcome here. Anyone who may disagree with the hosts and some members are too often branded as outsiders, trolls and disruptors.

I know you probably mean well, but you can't say that "no one who uses the forum wants Neoma" unless you've actually polled the members who subscribe to this forum, which numbered around 100 people before all this shitstorm started.

You know, I didn't post much on DU 2 because I worked two jobs and didn't want to post when I wouldn't have time to respond. But, for years, I read the Feminist group every morning before I left for work and truly enjoyed it. I was a "user" of this forum. I didn't feel like an outsider, but I guess, according to some here, that's what I am.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
24. I've been reading all of this and I see 4 people that all are hating on her
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:19 AM
Feb 2012

Her OP late last night was very reasoned..

I think everyone should just forget the fact a "host" exists and go about talking about what you talk about.

Then the drama will die down..and y'all can see how it goes!


LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
37. There are many who would use the forum if it were not so exclusive.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 12:06 PM
Feb 2012

I unsubscribed from the group several weeks ago.

Clearly I didn't belong.

Scout

(8,625 posts)
38. so you chose to leave. did someone ask you to leave? did anyone force you to leave?
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 12:16 PM
Feb 2012

No? thought not.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
40. Of course not.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 12:23 PM
Feb 2012

You're right. I chose to leave. I don't think I'm the only one who found the forum unwelcoming. This group has been exclusive for a while now. I'm all for allowing it to continue in the same vein. Enjoy.

Violet_Crumble

(36,142 posts)
20. Oh, don't worry. I'm staying right here till Neoma blocks me for daring to disagree with her...
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 03:06 AM
Feb 2012

I was just trying out the saying something and doing something completely different thing that neoma does when it comes to unilateral decisions...

As this is yr first time appearing in this group, welcome,. and if you read threads from the past few days, a solution was being worked out. It was one that Neoma didn't like, so she's sacked the co-hosts we'd elected...

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
3. And CrispyQ and seabeyond.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 12:28 AM
Feb 2012

She's declared herself President-for-life, so to speak.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
4. yup. i guess that means consulting others dont matter anymore. nt
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 12:31 AM
Feb 2012

DonCoquixote

(13,710 posts)
5. Bad Move
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 01:03 AM
Feb 2012

The whole group was weeping because redqueen was ready to leave, and now you FIRE HER?

Violet_Crumble

(36,142 posts)
6. This is a massive abuse of hosting powers
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 01:21 AM
Feb 2012

So much for democracy and members mattering. This is so wrong.

Neoma. You've ignored hosts and members and I'm betting you'll lock any dissent to yr rule but you need to reinstate the hosts right now

 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
9. I got drug into this nightmare as a juror (I am a GD, Video, LBN, & Econ only poster) and I must say
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 02:07 AM
Feb 2012

that the damage and drama I have seen in 2 days is so so sad for all involved. What point is there to have a safe zone group for feminists if women and men here just rip each other to shreds?

That said, from what I gather, the new lead host has went on a perceived power binge and banned any dissent (as well as people) and locked threads that point to this. I also see a huge trust broken by sharing private messages.

You need to hold elections ASAP to sort this. If not, the DU site admins need to step in soon.

If I'm wrong, then flame on, as I have said my part.

I wish all involved well, and hope no more hurt and pain comes to a single person in here. The world is not a friendly place these days, and feminist ideology/perspective is a vital need for the world. This is not the way to facilitate this goal.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. we did have a vote. all members that use this forum has voted redqueen. no one who uses this forum
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 02:11 AM
Feb 2012

has voted neoma.

they say we were trying to do a coup. with election. where as taking over with no votes is honorable.

this is what du has given us for a week now.

 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
12. well, if a vote is now considered a coup d' etat, perhaps the foundational DU rules need to be
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 02:23 AM
Feb 2012

revisited. You certainly have my support. This is about a fair outcome and process, and I see neither remotely appearing.

Your group is dying, and that can not be allowed to stand.

cheers

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
13. she did a lotta lotta damage, that is for sure. appalling. thank you. nt
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 02:31 AM
Feb 2012

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
11. First, thank you for your sane, supportive comments.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 02:16 AM
Feb 2012

I am interested to read the perspectives of those who do not regularly post here.

Second...I agree completely with your post. I think the worst thing about this is how much personally hurtful behavior has been involved.

I think I am about done. Just totally and completely...done.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,312 posts)
18. "I am interested to read the perspectives of those who do not regularly post here."
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 02:44 AM
Feb 2012

That is a refreshing perspective, BlueIris - thank you.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
14. There were two threads about who the group wanted as hosts, Neoma locked both of them.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 02:38 AM
Feb 2012

There's not much chance of elections when the person in power locks threads on the subject.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,312 posts)
17. The purpose is reinforcing stereotypes in order to keep the plebes in line.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 02:43 AM
Feb 2012

And until admin addresses the toxicity, it will continue as nothing else can stop the toxicity.

 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
19. this also sets a bad precedent for other groups in DU as well
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 03:01 AM
Feb 2012

I know it is not the right thing to say, but I REALLY miss the wholistic community (even the pain in the arses that just were part of the territory as well) that was on DU2. So many good people seemed to have just went 'poof'. A shame all around.

Plus I am a 14 month noob here (and a Swedish interloper too, as I have been told several times, lolol). I can imagine how some 10 year plus posters must feel.

I will defo keep coming back here in hopes of seeing this all smoothed out.

efhmc

(15,005 posts)
36. This is my 10th year.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:41 AM
Feb 2012

I find nothing better about the "new"DU. Others in my family, to whom I introduced the site, agree. I have not been involved in this particular disagreement but am sad to find things here so much in disarray.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
22. you are participating in a feeding frenzy for the entertainment value, and you have the audacity
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 03:28 AM
Feb 2012

to tell us about the toxicity?

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
23. (laconicsax and me) should be (laconicsax and I) FYI
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:17 AM
Feb 2012


redqueen

(115,164 posts)
25. Try this:
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:23 AM
Feb 2012

Neoma just terminated I.

Does that sound right?

No?

No, it doesn't. Do you know why that is? Because it's wrong, yes, that's what it is.

Do you have it all figured out now? Did that help?



Oh, and thanks for your newfound interest in this forum.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
26. That's a different sentence
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:34 AM
Feb 2012


Yep, this forum is pretty cool.. If everybody would chill out and smoke a joint would be a lot better though

redqueen

(115,164 posts)
27. This forum was cool.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:52 AM
Feb 2012

Now it's kinda uncomfortable for those of us who have been participating it for the intended purpose (i.e. not flamewars).

And yes, it is a different sentence, but what we're talking about is usage. That's all the help you get from me, just go look it up, I wouldn't want you to embarrassingly attempt to correct anyone else on that particular issue.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
29. Looks like it is supposed to be me..That just never sounds right...
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:00 AM
Feb 2012

Doesn't sound as formal..

I guess I'm used to people alwasy saying -

Me and Jason , Me and Shirley

When it should be Jason and I , Shirley and I-

Oh well, that's why I'm an Engineer not an English teacher LOL


I don't get embarrased from mistakes on a Public Intertubes Message board LOL, or by what anybody does or says. That would just be pathetic

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
32. That's good...
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:07 AM
Feb 2012

...because you spelled embarrassed incorrectly as well.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
35. LOL...There's a reason the count the errors
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:14 AM
Feb 2012

when doing tests for typing speed...

redqueen

(115,164 posts)
33. Good for you. nt
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:07 AM
Feb 2012

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
34. I always thought it doesn't sound right, either...
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:08 AM
Feb 2012

...even though it is.

efhmc

(15,005 posts)
39. You, of course, are correct. Doesn't anyone teach nominative and objective
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 12:16 PM
Feb 2012

cases anymore? Saw a "Cheers" episode ages ago where the self-appointed intellectual character, Diane, continually used "I' when "me' was the correct pronoun. I'm sure the writers thought this would show how high brow she was.

http://www.growingwithgrammar.com/files/1GWG_7_Sample_Lessons2.pdf


There are many more important things in life to be concerned about but this one can be easily remedied .

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
28. Actually, "laconicsax and me" is correct n/t
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 10:53 AM
Feb 2012

Scout

(8,625 posts)
30. just FYI, you are wrong. n/t
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:04 AM
Feb 2012
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
31. Yep, I need to go back to school LOL
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:06 AM
Feb 2012

At least everybody's mind was on something else for a moment

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
41. More fail. n/t
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 12:30 PM
Feb 2012
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
42. Failure is good, unless you repeat the same failures over and over..
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 12:59 PM
Feb 2012

That is when one is deemed stupid-

You ever fail at anything? What trade are you in?

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