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CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 10:30 PM Apr 2012

Women's Christian Temperance Union as an early Feminist movement

A while back I was studying some United States religious history to figure out why wine isn't served in communion in most Protestant churches and came across an interesting name and interesting early Feminist movement, called the Women's Christian Temperance Union and its leader, Frances Willard. Yes, they were famous for trying to get wine out of communion and at about the same time, Dr. Welch of Vineland, New Jersey figured out how to stop grape juice from fermenting and becoming wine.

The point that fascinates me is that the same movement and people that vastly advanced civil rights in this country, also likely helped create Prohibition of alcohol. Reality is always complex and not the clean story arc that we like to think about. Yet despite this, Frances Willard and the movement she led, were very progressive. Then, it seems that women and churches were the source of liberal change and expansion of civil rights, half of that picture being very hard to conceive of in 2012.

"Although she was not a minister, Frances Willard had several lasting impacts upon American Christianity. First, with her leadership in the Women’s Christian Temperance Union, Willard and her ladies were against using wine for communion. Beginning in 1876, grape juice began to be used in place of wine in Methodist, Baptist, and Congregational denominations. The Episcopalians, Lutherans, and Catholics continue to use wine.[xlviii] Secondly, because of her outreach, women of all denominations and faiths worked together in a common cause, allowing for more religious tolerance and cooperation in America.

http://are.as.wvu.edu/willard.html


Despite my own judgement of that particular thing that brought Willard to my notice, this movement was very important in civil rights. Willard is arguably a great influence on liberalism as we know it today, and yet like all movements and leaders within them, they are always 'of their time' in fascinating ways.



"Frances Elizabeth Caroline Willard (September 28, 1839 – February 17, 1898) was an American educator, temperance reformer, and women's suffragist. Her influence was instrumental in the passage of the Eighteenth (Prohibition) and Nineteenth (Women Suffrage) Amendments to the United States Constitution. Willard became the national president of the World Woman's Christian Temperance Union, or World WCTU, in 1879, and remained president for 19 years. She developed the slogan "Do everything" for the women of the WCTU to incite lobbying, petitioning, preaching, publication, and education. Her vision progressed to include federal aid to education, free school lunches, unions for workers, the eight-hour work day, work relief for the poor, municipal sanitation and boards of health, national transportation, strong anti-rape laws, and protections against child abuse.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Willard_(suffragist)


I'm also thinking about Feminist history and the history of all civil rights movements and how they teach us about important people, who should always be looked at objectively.

The lesson I think is to appreciate the leaders that came before us for what contributions they gave, but to always decide for ourselves the things we value now and not accept unequivocally that great leaders were right about all things, including what we should think.

So when you define "Feminism", the definition should respect history and be accurate, but it should belong to the people that choose to define it and advance it now.
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Women's Christian Temperance Union as an early Feminist movement (Original Post) CreekDog Apr 2012 OP
I did not realize this until KT2000 Apr 2012 #1
My grandmother was a one time president of the NY WCTU Warpy Apr 2012 #2
what I learned on the show KT2000 May 2012 #3
The WCTU was more of a movement against domestic violence than banning alcohol. no_hypocrisy May 2012 #4
that makes sense, though it clearly went beyond that CreekDog May 2012 #5
There was also an anti-immigrant (Catholic/Irish) aspect to prohibition Warren DeMontague May 2012 #6
Civil Rights for who? All women? Or just the gilded lillies? JustAnotherGen May 2012 #7
Hey I said to judge them objectively --I don't think she's a hero, in fact I don't much like her CreekDog May 2012 #8
Very true JustAnotherGen May 2012 #9

KT2000

(20,839 posts)
1. I did not realize this until
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 10:58 PM
Apr 2012

I saw the show where Helen Hunt traced her roots.
I too had a grandmother who was in the WCTU and always thought it was an intolerant group. Boy was I wrong - and gladly so.

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
2. My grandmother was a one time president of the NY WCTU
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 11:14 PM
Apr 2012

and she had ample reason to be so. She divorced my grandfather just before the Depression hit, mostly for the horrible things his alcoholism did to her and my mother.

In the meantime, she lived on Lydia Pinkham's Vegetable Tonic, something that had a high percentage of alcohol in it. Oh well.

What people fail to remember about the temperance movement is that whether or not a man drank was a matter of life and death for women and children, the women being powerless to hold well paying jobs that would feed a family if Himself was drunk in a gutter.

So yes, it was an early feminist movement. Unfortunately, by focusing on Demon Rum, they neglected the true culprit, Demon Misogyinistic Law, something that's threatening to make a comeback thanks to the Koch boys.

KT2000

(20,839 posts)
3. what I learned on the show
Tue May 1, 2012, 12:12 AM
May 2012

was that, at least in the Maine group, they established day care and other services for women. They also fought for the vote. If you ever get a chance to see the show with Helen Hunt - it is really eye opening. It is that show about tracing one's roots.

no_hypocrisy

(48,794 posts)
4. The WCTU was more of a movement against domestic violence than banning alcohol.
Tue May 1, 2012, 06:46 AM
May 2012

Alcohol caused many of their fathers, husbands, brothers to attack them in drunken rages.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
5. that makes sense, though it clearly went beyond that
Tue May 1, 2012, 01:00 PM
May 2012

and advocated all sorts of social and societal changes to deal with poverty, equality, education, etc.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
6. There was also an anti-immigrant (Catholic/Irish) aspect to prohibition
Tue May 1, 2012, 07:07 PM
May 2012

Similar to the way racism has driven much of the travesty we now know as the drug war.

JustAnotherGen

(33,565 posts)
7. Civil Rights for who? All women? Or just the gilded lillies?
Thu May 3, 2012, 11:50 AM
May 2012
Wells' anti-lynching campaign brought the two to England concurrently. As Wells described the horrors of American lynchings, British liberals were incredulous that White women such as Willard–who had been heralded in the English press as the "Uncrowned Queen of American Democracy"–would turn a blind eye to such violence. Wells correctly accused Willard of being silent on the issue of lynchings, and of making racial comments which would add fuel to the fire of mob violence.[22] To support her assertion, Wells referred to an interview Willard had conducted during a tour of the South in which Willard had blamed Blacks for the defeat of temperance legislation there and had cast aspersions on the race. "The colored race multiplies like the locusts of Egypt," she had said, and "the grog shop is its center of power... The safety of women, of childhood, of the home is menaced in a thousand localities."[22]

In response, Willard and her powerful hostess and counterpart, Lady Somerset, attempted to use their influence to keep Wells' comments out of the press. Wells responded by revealing that despite Willard's abolitionist forbears and Black friends, no Black women were admitted to the WCTU's southern branches.[citation needed]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_B._Wells

Keep in mind - one of the ways Willard brought Southern women into the fold was by making sure the black members marched at the back of the parade. And she had nothing to say about white men raping black women - as she often played to the 'Jezebel' stereotype of black women that we still see today . . . i.e. - They (black women) by birth are sexual miscreants.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
8. Hey I said to judge them objectively --I don't think she's a hero, in fact I don't much like her
Thu May 3, 2012, 01:25 PM
May 2012

but she was an important person in the history of feminism, an obviously flawed one, who had some abhorrent beliefs.

my thread wasn't meant to venerate her, but to take a critical look at her.

JustAnotherGen

(33,565 posts)
9. Very true
Thu May 3, 2012, 02:04 PM
May 2012

Definitely a flawed human being. Especially when held up against Anthony (Susan B.) or Abigail Adams.

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