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Related: About this forumWhy can't women find a "power suit"?
You know... the kind that says "I'm here to kick ass and take names".
I had a business meeting today (sales meeting) and the clothes really indicate your status. I was the only woman (of 7 of us) and I knew that the men (5 salesmen and 1 Manager of the Business Analysts) would be dressed in suits and ties. So, I set out to find a business suit... one that said "I'm a Senior Technical Analyst" and not "I'm the note taker". We went to Beall's, JcPenney (3 of them), Burlington Coat Factory, a Sears, and two Macy's stores. I NEVER go to Macy's because I think that they charge a ridiculous amount of money for not much. We spent 3 hours going from store to store to store and in all of these stores - the men's side had LOTS of business suits, in all shapes and sizes and colors. Burlington Coat Factory had half the men's section full of suits. Women's suits - 2 racks and half of them were petite - I'm 5'11.
I did eventually find one, at the second Macy's, but I was pretty peeved that men get to have all the "kick ass and take names" suits and women get bright pink, frilly, patterned, lacy, hideous suits.
I'm done ranting now.
Betsy Ross
(3,149 posts)I have needed suits for much of my career. JC Penney's; NO. Burlington Coat Factory; NO. Sears; NO. You have a reasonable chance at Macy's; Nordstrom's would be the best. You WILL have to cough up good money to get a power suit. It's a pain to shop for, but it sounds like a must for your wardrobe.
I have gone back to being an engineering geek so I can wear anything. I don't even own a jacket any more, let alone a suit.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)one great suit from Nordstom will put on equal footing with everyone.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)Nordstroms... I didn't think of them. I should have, I think. Yeah, cough up is about what I did.
yardwork
(63,810 posts)Warpy
(113,093 posts)I agree about Nordstrom's for investment dressing, also, and if I hadn't been able to throw on a lab coat, I'd probably have gone there, also, and eaten beans and rice for six months to pay for the sucker.
Some of their stuff is online, but it's better to go to one of their stores and take advantage of the in store tailoring to make sure it fits you like a glove.
Or you could follow me to NM, whre black jeans are formal wear.
obamanut2012
(27,725 posts)As you said, men have a zillion, while it's hard to find a good, conservative suit, and one that isn't trendy. I finally found some at Belk, and got a good one.
Mean also get free or cheap alterations, that are AUTOMATIC and quick. Women? Forget it.
Warpy
(113,093 posts)While most of the suiting is in shades of grey, you can from time to time find a black pinstripe that is very nice. I often think mix & match is a better idea than a simple suit, the black pinstripe paired with a solid black skirt being the power combination I prefer.
My bugaboo is the shoes. I loathe heels.
I loathe them so much I went into nursing, the one profession that can be done in comfortable shoes.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Must wear good shoes on those concrete floors or your feet, knees, hips and lower back are done for. I liked SAS brand.
Warpy
(113,093 posts)None of the nursing shoes gave me adequate support. The last couple of years I wore z-coils, almost felt like dancing after a 12 hour shift.
libodem
(19,288 posts)I wear nb for daily use these days. I can't work any more but I still have to protect my feet. They are awful.
I could never wear heels. I have super long toes that give me a size 11. My feet are flat. I have bunions. My foot is otherwise narrow. Awful.
Power suits make the woman the same way his clothes make a man. Nice dark shoes show a solid foundation.
A woman in pants equals a man in his Brumuda shorts, in business. A woman looks more dressed for the part in a nice dark business suit and sensible heels and higher if she can manage.
I can't dress the part cuz I have giant crooked feet. Heels would kill me. I'd have to special order from a transexual speciality shop. Only men's heels could fit me. Then I'd need Canadian crutches to walk.
emcalcuadrado
(1 post)Super long toes make any feet beautiful! How long? have you measured your second toe?
elleng
(135,637 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)yardwork
(63,810 posts)JustAnotherGen
(33,286 posts)I love their shirts. I also had two pants suits custom made. I went to a basic tailor, picked my fabrics and design. Voila. I do sew but I don't have time to do a project hat complicated - and I have A.S. my hands don't consistently have the strength or dexterity to pin, back stitch, use scissors etc etc
Neoma
(10,039 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)I will usually just shop the men's department. I'm not into frilly and the clothes from the men's dept. seem to last me longer. If I need to girly it up a little I'll go get a pretty, colorful blouse to go under the jacket. BUT I am not a businesswoman so I can't speak for how well that would go over in a business environment.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)For the rest of my work outfits I just looked for good jackets with classic styling and then found coordinating dresses, skirts or pants. A good jacket goes a long way towards presenting that "power suit" attitude. I always opted for jackets with good size pockets and did not care a handbag at meetings.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)for those occasions when I need to play that sort of dress up.
... because it's also a comment upon the whole management culture.
but so far, haven't.
however - if you're tall - you could pull it off, maybe - or substitute a collarless shirt for a men's shirt and tie.
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stevenleser
(32,886 posts)My best suggestion is to find an outlet mall like the kind they have in Ellenton, Florida or in Manchester, Vermont where they have designer stores with deep discounts. At a Hugo Boss outlet store or Armani outlet store, you can get mens and womens Hugo Boss or Armani suits at 25% of their original costs.
There are other designers of course but those are two of my favorites.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)on the men's side... there were not at all less expensive
We have a Nordstrom's Rack close to us that I might also try. Next closest is Sawgrass Mills (Sunrise, Florida) - which has a metric ton of outlet stores and is ridiculous in size and scope.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)appropriate and worn by most people at your level are more expensive than the salary at that level should be able to afford.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)clinton_2020
(11 posts)I too am devoid of kick butt suits and am looking for any good recommendations
drmeow
(5,243 posts)Evan-Picone - its a grey check pattern that I consider suitable for a man's suit, pencil skirt and classic style jacket. I make it kick ass by wearing a power blouse (red silk shell, for example). But the suit I love which I consider to be a "power" suit is Tahari/Arthur S Levine. It is one of those suits where the jacket is the top (no blouse) and is cherry red linen. I love it but it is too much of a kick ass suit for an interview (I'm interviewing at hospitals - for the right IT job, maybe). I think I got them both at Macy's but it looks like Macy's doesn't carry Evan-Picone anymore. Sears and JC Penney's appears to, though.
One thing that I've found it that where you live makes a big difference in style and sizing. I actually wear a petite and can rarely find much but my mom used to complain that all the stores in Orange County, CA, had huge petite sections.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)raven mad
(4,940 posts)And the worst? 1980 - 1981, MATERNITY CLOTHES when you're a professional.
Non-existent. Except for frilly puffy-sleeved "dresses"..............
I was skinny enough, I wore very loose strapless dresses with unconstructed blazers, the dresses in one color, the blazers in several.
We're STILL screwed! Try "old lady" (I'm 63) dresses/suits................
Warpy
(113,093 posts)and I've taken to wearing shorts at home and light cotton jeans out with woven cotton tops made in India. Those folks know how to do hot weather fabric. I choose carefully so I don't even look like a geriatric hippie.
Acres of polyester designed by Omar the Tentmaker just weren't for me, and those are the only old lady clothes the stores seem to offer, otherwise it's pop singer inspired slutwear or sweet, simple and girlish, or banker attire. If computer shopping hadn't arisen, I'd be hooked on catalogs.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)and I loved those cotton tops and long dresses!
MLAA
(18,512 posts)Whether you splurge or find a bargain....what really makes a power suit is the fit. Get it tailored unless you are one of the blessed few where everything fits perfectly off the rack. Not always worth it to tailor casual clothes. But you will feel like a million bucks if your power suit fits to a T.
forgotmylogin
(7,668 posts)I'm by no means a fashion expert, so perhaps I don't understand. But there's no reason women shouldn't get to rock a suit and tie:
KT2000
(20,779 posts)where I live. Our second hand and consignment stores always have power suits for women - good brands. Everyone here lives in jeans though.
I have a friend who always dressed "Nordstrom suits" at work. They all came from second hand stores.
When you have some time to kill go to an area with wealthy people and check out their thrift/consignment stores. For the low prices, you can afford alterations if necessary.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I really don't like business suits, "power" or other. I don't feel more respect for a man because he's wearing a suit and tie; I tend to trust him less.
Of course, I also don't really relate, at all, to the general fashion sense and values of my species. For me, clothing is supposed to be functional, not a billboard to send a message. I like clothes that are clean, in good repair, fit decently, AND ARE FUCKING COMFORTABLE.
So, as a woman, a professional woman, I don't own any suits. I dress pretty casually for day to day work. My normal day includes both presentations, desk work, and more physical work, some indoors and some outdoors. I put up and take down displays. I rearrange furniture. I carry supplies up and down two flights of stairs. I organize outdoor activities. If the people I'm presenting to pay more attention to what I'm wearing than what I'm saying, they've got a values problem; at least, the adult portion of my audiences do.
Yet, I know that I'm an outlier. That the vast majority of the population DOES judge people in part by what they wear, and by cultural norms for fashion. I'm getting away with stepping outside that narrow little box because my experience carries weight, and because I don't care, and am confident about my performance, I have a presence that people see in spite of whether or not I wear a power suit.
Is a suit mandatory? Can you dress "professionally" in something other than a suit? Or do you just like suits?
CrispyQ
(38,025 posts)I worked for a CEO who had a lot of suits, but sometimes she wore this red dress. It was fitted & she had a great figure, but it wasn't revealing at all, buttoned up to the neck, long sleeves. But it had an asymmetrical closing with big gold buttons. She said she got more things she wanted in board meetings when she wore that dress, so of course she took it on the road with her when they did their IPO tour.
CrispyQ
(38,025 posts)You will end up with pieces you love & that fit better & are of higher quality than store bought. Although finding a fabric store that has anything more than craft fabric, is a bit of a challenge these days.