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Thoughts on this meme... (Original Post) lilithsrevenge12 Apr 2013 OP
Seems like a stupid attempt to demonize a word kdmorris Apr 2013 #1
is fuck that an adequate thought? mopinko Apr 2013 #2
It's the one I had so it must be. Warpy Apr 2013 #4
I think this is a useful dialectic that becomes progressively NON-useful in direct proportion to patrice Apr 2013 #3
Translation: "Deconstruction makes us uncomfortable." Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #5
Wow what steaming pile of excrement... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #6
Woah! lilithsrevenge12 Apr 2013 #10
I repeat: ljm2002 Apr 2013 #11
There you go. lilithsrevenge12 Apr 2013 #12
You posted a piece of garbage... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #13
This meme confused me. lilithsrevenge12 Apr 2013 #14
The thing you posted is so utterly wrong... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #15
I suspect that the vast majority of women's rights activists are feminist as well. nt Zorra Apr 2013 #7
I think whoever spreads this horseshit around must be very ignorant. Squinch Apr 2013 #8
They're both feminists. Gormy Cuss Apr 2013 #9

kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
1. Seems like a stupid attempt to demonize a word
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 09:09 PM
Apr 2013

Like demonizing "liberal", the people that make these sorts of memes are just trying to make "Feminist" a BAD THING to be.

I personally find it stupid and offensive, but I AM a Feminist and a Liberal (and an Atheist), so I'm pretty used to people trying to demonize a word that I identify with. I'm not going to stop using that word to describe myself just because someone else wants to make me seem like a bad person. I know I'm a good person... and I'm also a Feminist, a Liberal and an Atheist.

Warpy

(113,093 posts)
4. It's the one I had so it must be.
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 09:29 PM
Apr 2013

Crock of shit by some little weenie who wants to justify all the death threats he's been posting on Reddit and 4chan.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
3. I think this is a useful dialectic that becomes progressively NON-useful in direct proportion to
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 09:24 PM
Apr 2013

the amount of loaded language used in the red and in the green verbiage.

Query a thesaurus and re-write to substitute precisely descriptive words that are objectively neutral toward BOTH types of women. The final draft should be explicitly descriptive and readers should be completely incapable of identifying the writers attitude toward either woman individually and toward both women collectively as manifestations of our women's movement.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
6. Wow what steaming pile of excrement...
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 12:18 PM
Apr 2013

...you have just dumped in the feminist group on DU.

Sure some feminists are jerks. So are a lot of men's rights advocates. So are a fair number of people in general. So?

Enjoy your stay, asshole.

lilithsrevenge12

(136 posts)
10. Woah!
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 11:54 AM
Apr 2013

All I asked were for thoughts, never put any form of my own opinion in the post. I wanted to ask strong, intelligent women what their opinion on this was, but apparently this became a personal attack. I thought this was a place for insightful discussion...

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
13. You posted a piece of garbage...
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 12:02 PM
Apr 2013

...that is a slanted "comparison" which defines feminists in an inaccurate and degrading way. First it makes a split between women's rights activists and feminists, although in real life most women's rights activists are also feminists. Next it chooses one example from each of these supposedly separate groups, where one is a shining example of Good and the other is a (possible) example of Bad. Then it draws the conclusion that Feminists == Bad.

You did not state your own position on the so-called "meme". You posted it to the feminist group on DU for "discussion". You have about 100 posts so far, you cavalierly post a rotten piece of garbage for discussion, without contributing any thought of your own, and you think the rest of us should take you seriously and discuss it.

Please go ahead and explain why my reaction surprises you.

lilithsrevenge12

(136 posts)
14. This meme confused me.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 01:24 PM
Apr 2013

God forbid I posted this with none of my own bias to sway or piss people off. I wanted to collectively understand this from multiple sources, especially feminists. I wasn't sure what to make of it, so I went to a place where I thought it could be better explained by people who were't morons. According to you, I was wrong and should only turn to facebook friends. Please excuse me for trying to understand.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
15. The thing you posted is so utterly wrong...
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 04:49 PM
Apr 2013

...so utterly insulting to anyone who call themselves feminists, that to post it here is akin to waving a red flag in front of a bull. Or in more modern terms, pure flamebait.

If you are actually confused by the "meme" you posted, then you are not very bright.

But I don't think that's what is really going on.

Just to spell it out for you: the "confusing" "meme" you posted is a slanted piece of garbage which packages its anti-feminist BS by presenting two examples of supposedly discrete groups (when the overlap between the two groups is high), by picking out a "good" example of a women's activist, and by making sure to find some feminist somewhere who did something bad (I don't know the story so can't comment on it), and then extrapolating that example to all feminists, in order to draw a spurious distinction between the two.

I won't respond again, because I've said what I wanted to say and there seems to be no getting through to you. I'll readily admit that my words were sharp and perhaps even out of line. For future reference, you probably could have alerted at least my first response and there's a good chance it would have been hidden.

TTFN

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
9. They're both feminists.
Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:35 PM
Apr 2013

From Ayaan Hirsi Ali's wiki page:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali.. (born 13 November 1969) is a Somali-Dutch feminist and atheist activist, writer and politician who is known for her views critical of Islam.


So the contrast of "women's rights activist" and "feminist" here is horseshit.

Moreover, the description of Adria Richards' actions is ridiculously slanted.
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