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appalachiablue

(42,804 posts)
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 09:04 PM Aug 2021

Pfizer: Immunity Can Drop To 83% Within 4 Mos. For Those Who Got Shot, Bolstering Case For Booster

MSN/Business Insider, Aug. 5, 2021. - Ed.

The effectiveness of Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot can drop to 83.7% within 4-6 months after getting the 2nd dose of its vaccine. This is the latest indication that vaccine-induced immunity to the virus can wane and some kind of boost may be necessary in the future.

New research published Wednesday as a preprint indicates that the Pfizer Inc. shot provides 96.2% protection for the first two months, 90.1% effectiveness between the second and fourth months, and 83.7% of protection for the fourth, fifth, and six months.

“We will need a booster 8-12 months from the second dose,” Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said Wednesday, according to a FactSet transcript of the company’s 2nd-quarter earnings call. The drug maker has been making the case for booster shots, citing limited data from its own clinical research and real-world data out of Israel, where Pfizer’s vaccine is the predominant shot in circulation.

“We do see—after 6-8 months—more rapid waning concerning infections and mild to moderate symptoms,” Dr. Mikhail Dolsten, Pfizer’s chief scientific officer, said. “Those are likely entirely, or to a large degree, dependent on antibodies and the drop in titer that we alluded to. If you raise it, you may have a good probability to reverse that waning.” Still, there’s no simple black-and-white answer to whether booster shots are needed at this time. One, there is no definitive data...

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Pfizer: Immunity Can Drop To 83% Within 4 Mos. For Those Who Got Shot, Bolstering Case For Booster (Original Post) appalachiablue Aug 2021 OP
One question ... how shitty does one feel after the 3rd shot? Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #1
Everyone is different. I had no SE after the first or second from Pfizer vaccine JohnSJ Aug 2021 #2
So ... you have no idea? Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #3
Yup, but your question is even more unknown because a third dose hasn't even been approved JohnSJ Aug 2021 #4
Yes ... 'a thing being unknown' is often the basis for what we call 'questions' (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #5
Damn! BigmanPigman Aug 2021 #6
It's been clear for a month or so a booster will be necessary. Hoyt Aug 2021 #7
Damn! This month is Month 4. no_hypocrisy Aug 2021 #8
On August 21 I'll be at the 5-month mark, so I hope they'll OK boosters soon. nt Nay Aug 2021 #9
I would like to see more data on this. NH Ethylene Aug 2021 #10
Looks like we're headed for booster shots speaktruthtopower Aug 2021 #11
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. One question ... how shitty does one feel after the 3rd shot?
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 09:10 PM
Aug 2021

Given that I was wiped out for about 24 hours after shot #2.

I'll still happily get another, to be clear, but I'm just curious.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. It's been clear for a month or so a booster will be necessary.
Thu Aug 5, 2021, 10:21 PM
Aug 2021

The fact is, the scientists have only been as good as their latest data.

Understand it, but I’m not sure they’ve been very accurate extrapolating out a few months beyond actual data. Granted, they also have to factor in politics, ignorance, misinformation, etc.

I’ll await the booster announcement, mask up, and follow announcements. But, would like to see CDC, etc., improve their messaging.

NH Ethylene

(30,994 posts)
10. I would like to see more data on this.
Fri Aug 6, 2021, 07:04 PM
Aug 2021

Especially considering most people are only about 4 months out from their second shot right now. So the decreasing efficacy Pfizer reports is based on limited data.

And they have a strong motive for overstating the case.

Pfizer is expected to generate $33.5 billion in COVID-19 vaccine revenue this year, and Wall Street analysts have already baked boosters into their financial models for Pfizer and BioNTech SE which developed the vaccine with Pfizer.

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
11. Looks like we're headed for booster shots
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 05:53 PM
Aug 2021

I wouldn't be too hard on them, it was an emergency authorization and the long term data will take a while to be collected and analyzed. Of course it is a topic that would be discussed in the earnings call.

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