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NH Ethylene

(30,994 posts)
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 05:44 PM Sep 2021

Scientists claim that overeating is not the primary cause of obesity

". . . the process of getting fat causes overeating."



A perspective article challenges the 'energy balance model,' which says weight gain occurs because individuals consume more energy than they expend. According to the authors, 'conceptualizing obesity as a disorder of energy balance restates a principle of physics without considering the biological mechanisms underlying weight gain.' The authors argue for the 'carbohydrate insulin model,' which explains obesity as a metabolic disorder driven by what we eat, rather than how much.

Public health messaging exhorting people to eat less and exercise more has failed to stem rising rates of obesity and obesity-related diseases. The carbohydrate-insulin model makes a bold claim: overeating doesn't cause obesity; the process of getting fat causes overeating.

The current obesity epidemic is due, in part, to hormonal responses to changes in food quality: in particular, high-glycemic load foods, which fundamentally change metabolism. *Focusing on what we eat rather than how much we eat is a better strategy for weight management.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/09/210913135729.htm
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Scientists claim that overeating is not the primary cause of obesity (Original Post) NH Ethylene Sep 2021 OP
Glad to finally see this going mainstream. Calories in, calories out Dream Girl Sep 2021 #1
I know. It's WAY overdue. NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #5
It's not a myth. Just not the prime mover. Kind counts & quantity too. OP is very interesting Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2021 #7
Think FAT if you have Type 2 Diabetes Dream Girl Sep 2021 #11
Sounds like - OhZone Sep 2021 #2
Or whole foods mzmolly Sep 2021 #8
Kickin' Faux pas Sep 2021 #3
cut out bread, rice, pasta, white taters etc eating lots and losing steadily. low to no empty carbs msongs Sep 2021 #4
I eat all that and have never been overweight Skittles Sep 2021 #6
There's nutritious bread and nutritious rice. I don't think color makes a difference in potatoes Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2021 #9
Regular potatoes have a higher glycemic index than sweet potatoes or yams. NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #12
as a diabetic i can tell you that basically, anything white is your enemy:rice,flour,potatoes,sugar, BamaRefugee Sep 2021 #17
haha OMG BamaRefugee Skittles Sep 2021 #31
Some people can lose weight that way, others not. Elessar Zappa Sep 2021 #34
do this Skittles Sep 2021 #35
Ruh Roh WHITT Sep 2021 #10
KnR to read later Hekate Sep 2021 #13
Sounds like an attack Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #14
But their hearts, bones, joints and muscles were in good shape. LiberalArkie Sep 2021 #15
I differ slightly with that opinion. Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #19
At 73 the docs want me to do some light running, but I can't do that, but I try to do elliptical LiberalArkie Sep 2021 #23
Yes, do somthing low impact. Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #26
wrong, obesity is a mental health issue foremost AlexSFCA Sep 2021 #16
It's no coincidence that Dr Now on the stomach stapling Show LakeArenal Sep 2021 #18
There is plenty of scientific info that contradicts that. NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #32
What a coincidence Moebym Sep 2021 #20
The lead researcher Dr David S Ludwig wrote a book Farmer-Rick Sep 2021 #21
Owned a fitness center for 22 years. Jon King Sep 2021 #22
Key thing there is nutrition. Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #27
I can believe this. forgotmylogin Sep 2021 #24
I agree with it to a point bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #25
My doctor, who is an internist Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #28
That's why I've been following the Zone diet for over 20 years. ananda Sep 2021 #29
Good to see this being studied. After a 20 months on Keto, I concur. sybylla Sep 2021 #30
Probably depends on the person. Elessar Zappa Sep 2021 #33
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
1. Glad to finally see this going mainstream. Calories in, calories out
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 05:47 PM
Sep 2021

Is a myth. It’s all about the types of food a nd their hormonal impact.

NH Ethylene

(30,994 posts)
5. I know. It's WAY overdue.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 05:59 PM
Sep 2021

Evidence that refutes it has been accumulating for several decades. It's time to change the advice given to people about eating and dieting and maybe offer some real hope to people who struggle constantly just to keep from gaining even more weight.

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,792 posts)
7. It's not a myth. Just not the prime mover. Kind counts & quantity too. OP is very interesting
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 06:20 PM
Sep 2021

If you eat lots of empty calories, your body craves food because it is trying to get nutrition. High glycemic foods are mostly empty calories.

If you eat nutritious food, including occasional pizzas, ice cream and such, your body is happy and doesn't ask for as much food.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
11. Think FAT if you have Type 2 Diabetes
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 07:01 PM
Sep 2021

Weight gain and poor health are a function of FAT

Frequency = every time you eat insulin and fat storage goes up…don’t do frequent mini meals, avoid snacking, occasional fasting is great
Amount = don’t over eat
Type of food = avoid carbs

I’m keto, but considering carnivore. Protein is highly satiating and (grass fed) meat is nutrient dense.

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,792 posts)
9. There's nutritious bread and nutritious rice. I don't think color makes a difference in potatoes
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 06:21 PM
Sep 2021

Though there might be less nutrition per calorie in factory potatoes of any colour than better grown potatoes.

NH Ethylene

(30,994 posts)
12. Regular potatoes have a higher glycemic index than sweet potatoes or yams.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 07:06 PM
Sep 2021

I think that's why they referred to white potatoes.

BamaRefugee

(3,697 posts)
17. as a diabetic i can tell you that basically, anything white is your enemy:rice,flour,potatoes,sugar,
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 07:35 PM
Sep 2021

milk, SARA LEE FROSTING, sorry lost control for a second there.

Skittles

(158,224 posts)
31. haha OMG BamaRefugee
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:37 AM
Sep 2021

I am known to buy a slew of cupcakes and only eat the frosting....I kid you not. Bad!

Elessar Zappa

(15,496 posts)
34. Some people can lose weight that way, others not.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:21 AM
Sep 2021

I initially tried to lose weight by running long distance 5 times a week and lifting weights 4 times weekly. I lost a little but it wasn’t until I changed my diet and ate less and healthier that I was able to lose a substantial amount. Of course now I’m back to being obese and am struggling to get motivated to lose the pounds. I like food too much.

Skittles

(158,224 posts)
35. do this
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:17 PM
Sep 2021

get yourself on www.fitday.com

put in EVERYTHING you eat, daily......eat whatever you want, but don't go over a certain amount of calories (research to find out what a good amount is for you to lose weight slowly but steadily)

fuck diets, they don't work in the long run - do you really want to go the rest of your life not eating potatoes? ridiculous

when you record what you eat, you may find that you wish you'd eaten something more nutritious and filling than that big hunk of cake, for example.....it will make you more aware of where you calories are coming from

Mr.Bill

(24,743 posts)
14. Sounds like an attack
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 07:17 PM
Sep 2021

on the gym industry.

Seriously, I owned a small neighborhood a few years ago. I had a very regular clientele. Mostly middle aged people. Same people almost every day. I don't think I ever saw one person lose any weight at all, except for one elderly lady who had become a vegetarian.

LiberalArkie

(16,318 posts)
15. But their hearts, bones, joints and muscles were in good shape.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 07:30 PM
Sep 2021

And may cause the body to be more efficient, thus it would take more effort to burn fat.

Mr.Bill

(24,743 posts)
19. I differ slightly with that opinion.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 07:38 PM
Sep 2021

I'm not an expert, I only bought the gym to fix it up and flip it. But I think at a certain age you are not doing your joints any good by running five miles on a treadmill every day. You are just making yourself a candidate for a knee and/or hip replacement. Cardio wise, I tend to agree with you more.

LiberalArkie

(16,318 posts)
23. At 73 the docs want me to do some light running, but I can't do that, but I try to do elliptical
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 08:02 PM
Sep 2021

often.

LakeArenal

(29,721 posts)
18. It's no coincidence that Dr Now on the stomach stapling Show
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 07:37 PM
Sep 2021

Always have the patients talk to a psychiatrist.

NH Ethylene

(30,994 posts)
32. There is plenty of scientific info that contradicts that.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:41 AM
Sep 2021

The desire to eat is highly regulated by the body.

Yes, some people eat to feel better psychologically, but this also involves a physiological response.

Moebym

(1,025 posts)
20. What a coincidence
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 07:47 PM
Sep 2021

I had just watched a video on 18 weight loss myths debunked by dieticians.

I've bookmarked this article for future reference.

Farmer-Rick

(11,219 posts)
21. The lead researcher Dr David S Ludwig wrote a book
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 07:54 PM
Sep 2021

Called "Always Hungry". He explains how insulin and carbs act together to make you hungry and store more fat.

Think about it. If it's simply calories in, calories out, why do fat people get hungry at all? They have all that fat their bodies can eat. Why would they not just use their excess fat then get hungry? But no, despite large amounts of fat, people get really hungry and are driven to eat and store more fat.

The thing with low carb diets is it is more likely to use your own fat and less likely to make you hungry. It's not a magic bullet but it can help a lot.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
22. Owned a fitness center for 22 years.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 07:58 PM
Sep 2021

We kept it pretty simple and helped 1000s lose body fat. Helped them modify their nutrition and monitor it, moderate cardiovascular activity 3-4 times per week, a good dose of resistance training tailored to each person.

In 22 years I do not remember but a handful who did not lose significant body fat with our simple approach.

forgotmylogin

(7,668 posts)
24. I can believe this.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 08:08 PM
Sep 2021

I lost 50 pounds easily eating a keto diet for a year - basically cutting sugar and flour and only small portions of starchy veg.

The interesting part I discovered using the carb manager app that eating 400 calories of pasta would make me feel bloated and ready for a nap, but I could put away a 900 calorie breakfast of bacon and eggs that did not fill me uncomfortably and didn't knock me into a carb coma.

I was totally carb addicted for the longest time, and now at age 50 I feel great. I'm not "skinny" but I can tie my shoes without straining, I snore less, and when I do occasionally eat something with some carbs I find I can't put away potatoes or pasta like I used to. Several bites is enough and quickly becomes unappealing like my body recognizes I don't need it.

I'm less strict on keto now - I will occasionally splurge on an apple or an orange (which now taste like delicious candy since I don't regularly have sugar) or I will eat a mini-bag of popcorn which has about 20 net carbs in a day.

The other thing that made keto much easier is the recent wider availability of zero-carb bread and other products in the grocery store. That was a godsend because one of the logistical problems eating low carb is you can't just throw together a sandwich quickly and that kind of solved the quick meal problem.

bucolic_frolic

(46,611 posts)
25. I agree with it to a point
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 08:09 PM
Sep 2021

Weight gain with all the right foods is still possible if you eat too much. Calorie counting is not out the window.

But the insulin-carb model is very useful. Eat the right carbs, in the right proportion to lean proteins and vegetable and fruits is the way to go.

Carbs and junk food and additives and sugars cause inflammation. Wish I could find the YouTube video of a Dr who said she owned an obesity clinic. She called the carbs and sugars a slow poisoning.

Mr.Bill

(24,743 posts)
28. My doctor, who is an internist
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 08:23 PM
Sep 2021

says processed meats are the villian, but she's mainly adressing blood pressure and cholesterol, which are my two problem areas. I have cut back on them and have lost about 15 lbs. At my next physical next month I'm going to discuss reducing the dosage on those meds. One at a time, probably.

ananda

(30,485 posts)
29. That's why I've been following the Zone diet for over 20 years.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 08:46 PM
Sep 2021

No high glycemic carbs; and a balance between protein,
carbs, and fat at every meal.

I also follow the blood type diet.

My weight is perfect for my age, with no underlying
problems.

sybylla

(8,655 posts)
30. Good to see this being studied. After a 20 months on Keto, I concur.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 08:54 PM
Sep 2021

Keto completely changed my relationship to food. Before Keto, I would aim for 1300 calories a day - basically 2 meals, and my weight never budged. The carb cravings were killer. Switched to Keto. I eat until I am full. I no longer have to skip one meal a day to manage calories. I have nearly zero cravings. I've finally hit my weight-loss target and my cholesterol has improved. And, according to my last check-up, I have successfully managed to slow down the diabetes train. Maybe with another year on Keto, I can stop it all together.

There is so much more to weight than calories in/calories out. That has always been ever-so-much bullshit.

Elessar Zappa

(15,496 posts)
33. Probably depends on the person.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:18 AM
Sep 2021

I’m obese and I eat a lot of high fat, high carb food. I know if I cut back the calories that I would lose weight because I’ve done it before.

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