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Jilly_in_VA

(11,051 posts)
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 10:25 AM Jun 2023

Shiny Happy People is a great reminder of why cult documentaries should exist

I grew up adjacent to the fundamentalist Christian cult that Shiny Happy People, the four-part docuseries ostensibly about the reality TV-famous Duggar family, was really about. The Institute for Basic Life Principles (IBLP), founded and led by a man named Bill Gothard, had many arms: a series of seminars and workshops, copious curricula on “successful living,” and a large homeschool organization.

It didn’t present as a cult; it looked like an ordinary Christian ministry, but with several possible levels of involvement, all of which strongly advocated radical patriarchy and a series of stringent fundamentalist views. Though I was homeschooled, my family never joined the homeschool organization that catered to the most hard-core members (in part because they required men to be clean-shaven, and my bearded father refused), but the rest of the leader’s teachings pervaded my life through most of my teens.

That’s probably why, when Shiny Happy People dropped on June 2, I couldn’t tell if the show was immensely popular, or if the many tweets about IBLP, Gothard, and the emotional and sexual abuse stories in the docuseries I saw were just Twitter’s algorithm knowing what to put in front of me. I’d felt connections to many of the dozens of recently released religious abuse docuseries — everything from God Forbid (about Jerry Falwell Jr.) to Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey (about Warren Jeffs and the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) to both seasons of The Vow (about upstate “sex cult” NXIVM) to two recent series about Hillsong and its disgraced former pastor, Carl Lentz. But this was the one I’d been waiting for, the one I felt was narrating my life. Judging from what I saw online, I wasn’t the only one.

I follow a lot of people, many around 40 like myself, who grew up with serious exposure to IBLP, the related homeschool organizations called the Advanced Training Institute (ATI), and the man behind them all, Gothard, a soft-spoken fundamentalist minister with a predilection for giving “chalk talks.” (He’d explain some principle of living a “successful” life drawn from some textual snippet of the Bible and, simultaneously, draw a landscape or something on a chalkboard. Gothard is honestly a pretty talented artist; the big reveal — when you finally saw what he’d been drawing all along — was a real wow moment.)

Those of us who grew up in or around Gothard’s world can feel estranged from contemporary discussions of American evangelical culture because we frequently felt locked outside of it, noses pressed to the glass. There’s an often-blurry boundary between fundamentalism and evangelicalism, opaque to most people; to generalize, evangelicals like Billy Graham are more engaged with mainstream culture, whether through copying it, criticizing it, or trying to influence it. Fundamentalists tend to cut “the world” a wider berth and create elaborate lifestyle rules to keep themselves separate, which is part of what made the Duggars’ appearance on a TLC reality show so unusual. To us, though, this boundary was vibrantly alive. Not only was most secular culture off-limits, but most Christian culture was, too.

https://www.vox.com/culture/23759377/shiny-happy-people-gothard-duggar-family-iblp-ati-keep-sweet

I am watching this now. It's just full of WOW moments in the first two segments alone--and I thought I knew a few things about these people!

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Shiny Happy People is a great reminder of why cult documentaries should exist (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Jun 2023 OP
It's a fascinating and pretty scary documentary. Ocelot II Jun 2023 #1
I can't decide whether to watch this or not. 3catwoman3 Jun 2023 #2
Watch it. My upbringing wasn't especially religious either, so Ocelot II Jun 2023 #3
I grew up sort of fundamentalist adjacent, too. ShazzieB Jun 2023 #4
Makes my Jehovah's Witness childhood look sane. hunter Jun 2023 #5
Finished this last night Jilly_in_VA Jun 2023 #6
we all need to see it. I have already watched it and will probably watch it again yellowdogintexas Jul 2023 #7
Twice watched yankee87 Jul 2023 #8

Ocelot II

(121,317 posts)
1. It's a fascinating and pretty scary documentary.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 10:34 AM
Jun 2023

I've never had to deal with fringe evangelicals, and I learned some rather horrifying things about what they actually believe and what they're trying to do. It is not an exaggeration in the least to equate them with the Taliban. They are exactly that.

3catwoman3

(25,618 posts)
2. I can't decide whether to watch this or not.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 10:38 AM
Jun 2023

No deep religious upbringing here, and I call myself a content-to-question agnostic.

I’m sure this program would disgust and infuriate me, and I already get enough of that from all the coverage of Trump.

Ocelot II

(121,317 posts)
3. Watch it. My upbringing wasn't especially religious either, so
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 11:16 AM
Jun 2023

this was a real eye-opener. I had no idea how crazy these people or how deeply embedded they are in our politics. That's the important thing, not that they have goofy religious beliefs. They are dangerous.

ShazzieB

(18,889 posts)
4. I grew up sort of fundamentalist adjacent, too.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 04:03 PM
Jun 2023

But nothing nearly as batcrap crazy as Gothard. It's scary what some people can be convinced to believe just by telling them this is "what the Bible says," and Gothard was evidently a master of that.

No, the Bible does not actually say women have to wear long, baggy dresses so as not to "tempt" men to sin, that parents need to learn how to "break their children's spirits" with corporal punishment that inflicts the maximum amount of pain without leaving a mark, or that men are supposed to be absolute dictators over their households. Goddard evidently decided that certain passages mean those things and somehow got a whole bunch of people to take his word for all of that and more. Horrifying!

What's even more weird is that I think he probably believed what he was teaching on one level, while at the same time he was behaving like a disgusting pervert with underage girls who were under his influence. It's really bizarre how a person (especially a man) in such a powerful position can rationalize away despicable behavior in order to give himself permission to act on his baser urges.

hunter

(39,028 posts)
5. Makes my Jehovah's Witness childhood look sane.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 07:11 PM
Jun 2023

I probably lucked out. My mom's Pacifist Social Justice Warrior Catholic side broke out when I was in the fourth grade and the Witnesses gave her the boot because she couldn't stay out of politics. Then we were Quakers. Quakers are allowed to be political.

Never did participate in the flag salute at school.

My family religion is "not Mormon." Three of my grandparents grew up as "not Mormon" in Wild West Mormon territory. All those outcasts of religiously diverse backgrounds hung out together in high school. My mom's parents were the religiously outcast odd couple baby making sort.

My other grandma was a plain vanilla San Francisco Methodist, but "not Mormon" too. She was okay with Catholic, Jewish, atheist, or most anything else. Just not Mormon.

Other three grandparents were simply crazy, especially in regards to religion.




Jilly_in_VA

(11,051 posts)
6. Finished this last night
Thu Jun 15, 2023, 07:48 AM
Jun 2023

Holy crap! These people are dangerous, and already embedded in our politics. Y'all had better hope they don't gain their stated ambition, which is world domination, or we are in for a real-life "Handmaid's Tale", and that is not hyperbole. It's not just the Duggars, people. They are all over the place, and they are dangerous.

yellowdogintexas

(22,773 posts)
7. we all need to see it. I have already watched it and will probably watch it again
Sun Jul 2, 2023, 03:35 PM
Jul 2023

What I want to do is watch it with a group of my Democratic Woman's Club members and discuss it afterwards.

We have a husband & wife team here in FW who have extensively researched and give programs on the creeping danger of Christian Nationalism. They speak at least once a year to our Dem Women's club. I follow them on Twitter and Instagram; Chris has a You Tube channel. The Tacketts had already made me nervous about these people; this show is even worse.

The insidious infiltration of our government and national dialogue by these groups is terrifying.

They are not going away either.

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