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Coventina

(27,904 posts)
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 05:27 PM Mar 2024

I'm super psyched for Shogun!! (no spoilers, please!)

I've read the book.
I loved it! I didn't want for it to end!!

I was too young for the 1980 miniseries.

Anyone else planning on watching?

I haven't started it yet, but if you have, can you provide a spoiler-free review?

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I'm super psyched for Shogun!! (no spoilers, please!) (Original Post) Coventina Mar 2024 OP
I think we'll start watching tonight. I'm a big Clavell fan. rsdsharp Mar 2024 #1
I read the book & saw the old mini-series. CrispyQ Mar 2024 #2
I pretty much have the same order of preference, although Whirlwind comes before King Rat yellowdogintexas Mar 2024 #9
I didn't know of these titles! CrispyQ Mar 2024 #10
You will love it!! I read Whirlwind in the late 1980s . yellowdogintexas Mar 2024 #11
If you've read the book can we really spoil it? Haha Alpeduez21 Mar 2024 #3
Good point, I guess I really didn't think that through! Coventina Mar 2024 #5
Saw the first episode. Wait till you see.. Bobstandard Mar 2024 #4
and Whirlwind!!!! It is a very exciting book set in Iran around the time of yellowdogintexas Mar 2024 #8
The new Shogun... GiqueCee Mar 2024 #6
I have read all of Clavell's books and loved every one of them yellowdogintexas Mar 2024 #7
Big fan so far. pecosbob Mar 2024 #12

rsdsharp

(10,121 posts)
1. I think we'll start watching tonight. I'm a big Clavell fan.
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 05:37 PM
Mar 2024

I’m not sure what watching Shōgun without Dr. Kildare will be like.

CrispyQ

(38,266 posts)
2. I read the book & saw the old mini-series.
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 05:46 PM
Mar 2024

I thought Chamberlin was perfectly cast. I didn't realize they'd done a new one.

The entire Clavell series is good. I'd rate them in this order. Tai Pan, Shogun, King Rat, & Nobel House. The concept of the broken coins...I loved it! That wasn't Shogun though.

yellowdogintexas

(22,722 posts)
9. I pretty much have the same order of preference, although Whirlwind comes before King Rat
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 10:49 PM
Mar 2024

for me. You did not mention Whirlwind or Gai-Jin. Of all the books, the one I liked the least was Gai-Jin. However, Whirlwind is absolutely awesome! I am not prone to reading books a second time but I did read this one twice.

Clavell actually wrote King Rat first, based on his own experiences in a WW II POW camp. The characters in that book have ancestors and descendants who appear in the rest of the books. Creating that massive series with all those families intertwined was an amazing feat.

CrispyQ

(38,266 posts)
10. I didn't know of these titles!
Sat Mar 2, 2024, 10:05 AM
Mar 2024

I read Clavell years ago before the internet & probably the four I read were what my library had. Going to look for Whirlwind today!

Thanks!

yellowdogintexas

(22,722 posts)
11. You will love it!! I read Whirlwind in the late 1980s .
Sat Mar 2, 2024, 11:22 PM
Mar 2024

In chronological order:
Shogun
Tai-Pan
Gai-Jin
King Rat
Noble House
Whirlwind

Just found this little bit of trivia: Clavell returned to filmmaking. He wrote, produced and directed To Sir, with Love (1967), featuring Sidney Poitier and based on E. R. Braithwaite's semiautobiographical 1959 book. It was a huge critical and commercial success.

Alpeduez21

(1,861 posts)
3. If you've read the book can we really spoil it? Haha
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 06:13 PM
Mar 2024

Watched what’s available so far. I really like it. Visually very nice. I remember reading everyone had to learn the older Japanese to speak those parts. Liked the book and the first mini series there is a slow build as we learn what’s going on. I thoroughly enjoy it.

For me it helps that I’m familiar with the story. Otherwise I think some of the more macro plot lines might be lost on me. Though it is still developing the plot so I’m withholding judgement. There are some assumptions the director assumes us to know. For instance, Blackthorne very quickly is called Pilot(Anjin) but for all we’ve seen he could be captain or first mate and it isn’t really explained what a pilot is in the context of 16thcentury merchant travel. There is a lot of talk of his journals and we are just assumed to know the importance of them, how they are used or gotten. Little things if you are familiar with the story but I think lost on people for whom this is their introduction to Shogun. Like I said I enjoy it and will look forward to more as episodes are released.

Bobstandard

(1,661 posts)
4. Saw the first episode. Wait till you see..
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 06:13 PM
Mar 2024

Very well done. Engaging from the beginning.

If you like Clavell make sure you read King Rat. Heavy! Excellent

yellowdogintexas

(22,722 posts)
8. and Whirlwind!!!! It is a very exciting book set in Iran around the time of
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 10:40 PM
Mar 2024

the Iranian revolution. from Amazon "Whirlwind" is the story of three weeks in Tehran in February 1979: three weeks of fanaticism, passion, self-sacrifice and heartbreak. Caught between the revolutionaries and the forces of international intrigue is a team of professional pilots. They are ordered to flee to safety with their helicopters. Two of them, both Europeans, have Iranian wives whom they love beyond safety and politics.

https://www.garysvintagebooks.com/product-page/whirlwind-by-james-clavell

Hopefully one of these days this will be made into a limited series. It's too big to just be a movie.

GiqueCee

(1,324 posts)
6. The new Shogun...
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 06:51 PM
Mar 2024

... is excellent. It's far less sanitized than the 1980 miniseries with Richard Chamberlain, and a good deal close to the book as I remember it, at least so far. The recreation of Japan prior to its widespread exposure to European influence is beautiful.
You'll love it.

yellowdogintexas

(22,722 posts)
7. I have read all of Clavell's books and loved every one of them
Fri Mar 1, 2024, 10:28 PM
Mar 2024

I read Shogun first, and in my mind Richard Chamberlain was born to play Blackthorne! Lo and behold he was cast as Blackthorne in the mini series. I have read the book twice.

Tai-Pan was very good; it was disappointing to me that no one made a movie of it with Sean Connery as Dirk Straun. It was actually my favorite of the novels set in East Asia.

This series is going to be so much fun!!!




pecosbob

(7,904 posts)
12. Big fan so far.
Sun Mar 3, 2024, 05:43 PM
Mar 2024

Three things I loved...

The accurate replica of Toyotomi Hideyoshi's sunrise armor. These people did their homework.

The use of traditional seating positions, both formal (seiza) and informal are historically accurate. Again, homework.

Finally, the assassin sent to kill Blackthorne was a house-maid, not historically-inaccurate black-clad ninjas.

Looking forward to the rest.

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