and I have found Finnish and Icelandic detective shows to be strangely attractive.

When I finish one I tend to go looking for more to watch. They are very different from the usual Netflix fare.

I agree the dubbing can be pretty crude, but I just keep the captions on to get more of the flavor of the dialogue.

I started watching foreign movies on our local NYC PBS station when I was a young teen. So by now it's just biz as usual after too many decades.

A friend took a look at Bordertown and related her visit to Lithuanian years ago. She commented that Bordertown's dubbing could qualify for an academy award compared to the dubbing of American shows over there.

A 2014 Norwegian movie starring Stellan Skaarsgard. Has been remade as In Cold Prsuit with Liam Neeson.

I'm trying to avoid political tv during the day. So this is my go-to story to watch now. Thanks for the tip!

I've already recommended it to a friend. Thx again!

Used to be on Netflix. May now have go to a library. The British version with Kenneth Branaugh is still on Netflix. It is OK but not as good as Swedish version with subtitles.

Oops, I spoke too soon. They're on a network we don't subscribe to. But our library has a ton of episodes so I just requested the first dvd.

I never noticed that in the Options before. Probably since all the other series were in the original language with subtitles. So it just went over my head. Now I'm all set. Thx!

After a while, my brain can't even tell that the subtitles are on...it merges the words in the subtitles with the emotions of the actors.

However, my brain never stops noticing bad dubbing.

There is only one film that I've ever watched where I enjoyed the dubbing. It was the very first Mad Max movie back in 1979, which just as the later sequels, had an all-Australian cast. They apparently thought that Americans couldn't handle the Aussie accents. It sounded as if they used voice actors from Saturday morning cartoons.

First of all, you can watch foreign programming in the original language with English subtitles on Netflix. I always watch this way.

I also loved Deadwind.

Here are some other Nordic Noir shows I have watched on Netflix that you might enjoy as much as I have:

The Rain - Sweden
Borderliner- Norway
Occupied - Norway

There is also a show called Rita from Denmark and a spinoff called Njordis, not Nordic Noir but very entertaining.

I also suggest you look into subscribing to MHz Choice. It's $7 or $8 a month. MHz Choice is exclusively foreign programming with a litany of Scandinavian programming and Nordic Noir. This includes 6 seasons of Beck which is based on the Martin Beck series of books and is considered the grandfather of Nordic Noir. I read them when I was in high school and that is what hooked me on Nordic Noir. MHz also has The Johan Falk Trilogy, Irene Huss, Annika Bengtzon: Crime Reporter and Arne Dahl. These are all very good. There are a lot others too. Everything is with English Subtitles.

I figure that if I lurk, I lose. Today it's a bonanza. I've got In Order Of Disappearance on pause and now this terrific list of suggestions from you. Thanks so much.

I really like British shows Like Vera and Shetland. I found most of the DVDs at the library. But then a friend suggested Acorn TV since I watch a lot of the U.K. shows. Then husband recently wanted to sub to Netflix. It sure has grown up since its dvd rental days. I'll check out MHz and then maybe we'll drop one of the other cable networks that cost even more per month.

We have Comcast and access Netflix that way. But Bordertown was the only dubbed foreign language offering so far. If I download the app do you think I can watch it on my tv? Tablets are okay but I prefer using the big screen.

Btw, I never knew it was called Nordic Noir until recently. "Noir" is even a fairly recent addition to my vocabulary. They were all just the b&w second features that I slept through as a youngster because the stories were way over my head. Now I love Noir Alley on TCM. Eddie Muller does a great job and even has the perfect name for hosting the genre.

MHz Choice is for North America.

When I couldn't get the latest Vera seasons I checked and they had all but the latest since it wasn't available on dvd yet. Same with Shetland. So at least I got caught up with what's available anywhere. The library used to be my only resource for the shows on streaming and now it's my last place to look with success.

There is also Lillyhammer, which is more of a dark comedy than "noir," and of course there's always Norsemen, which is kind of Monty Python meets The Vikings. Trollhunter is a fun monster movie if you like that sort of thing. I am going to go right now and check out MHz Choice, since Netflix and Amazon Prime don't have very many of this genre.

I will have to check those out. Loved Occupied. Also the original Wallander, although the British version was good too. Fortitude was interesting--it kept me guessing as to whether it was leaning sci-fi or aliens or what!! The series The Killing set in Seattle was supposedly based on a Danish series. I haven't watched the original yet but have read that it is better than the US version.

previews of all the great noir shows from around the world.

Sure is a lot of killing going on!

Nordic noir EVAH!

The Bridge SE (Sweden)/ Bron/Broen is on Hulu. It is wonderful. Love Saga!

called "the Tunnel."

Never saw the American one.

Saga is one of the best characters on TV. Her balance of vulnerability and invulnerability is fascinating.

season 3 of The Tunnel on Amazon.

I really like it. Very complex plots and interesting characters.

It stars Gustaf Skarsgård (plays Loki in Vikings and from the famous acting family) It is about an assistant Librarian/graduate student who gets a job at the National Library in Stockholm. He is desperate for money and begins stealing rare and famous books from the library's antiquities collection. It is based on a true story.

One thing about Scandinavian television and movies is that you see the same actors over and over again. It has been a small industry in countries with populations between 5 million and 10 million people so there is a small pool of talent. Actors in Scandinavia always seem to have a job!

I noticed the same with the UK shows. You get used to someone being the villain in one series and they pop up as the detective in the next. I'll have to look for that in the Scandi stories.

It is basically a Rom-Com about a couple on their second marriages with kids from the first and problematic ex-spouses. It is funny and dramatic. It is pretty good. Anyway, the actor who is the main lead plays the second husband and is a mother-hen nerdy dad. I watched this same actor in something on MHz right before where he was a psychopathic terrorist who was blowing up banks in downtown Stockholm. It was so weird!

It is the same with In Order of Disappearance. The actor who plays the psycho homocidal mob boss is played by Pal Sverre Hagan. Right before that he was in Koi-Tiki and played the explorer Thor Heyerdahl (The Swedish version has some different scenes and I think has a better ending). He also played a nerdy dad scientist in Ragnarok, which is on Hulu. Ragnarok is a pretty good movie. The actress who stars in the Swedish version of The Bridge is the female lead in that movie.

I just realized that I know way too much about this topic!

Best one -- totally not his usual character -- was Mikael Persbrandt. He played Gunvald Larsson in Beck. Last year at the Seattle International Film Festival I saw him in The Cake General. A true story about a man who wanted to make his town famous by making the world's longest cake. It was a very funny movie and Persbrandt played a wonderful bumbling dreamer to perfection.

The same can be said about British actors. I'm currently watching Game of Thrones, not having watched it when it first came out. I have spotted many British actors whom I've seen in other TV shows over the years.

Please don't hold back. This whole thread is going to keep me busy watching some great stories. I won't have to wade through any meh stuff. And I'm on track with English captions and original language listening. Things couldn't be better.

Btw, tonight I also found a 1/2 hour Israeli comedy series that might work out. It's called Hashoter Hatov or The Good Cop. I didn't know if it was for me but as the minutes passed I realized that it's a welcome palate cleanser from watching murder mysteries so much. Some really funny moments that I want to go back for more. It was suggested by Netflix since I watched Shtisel.

One thing that strikes me about foreign based shows is how much more people actually sit down and eat meals in these stories. In Shtisel I wanted to go get a fork or a spoon and demand a taste. They were eating all the time. Even in Bordertown the main character was getting into a Finnish meat pie that looked so good I had to look up some recipes. The family cooks and sits down and they have meals.

I'm starting to ramble. It feels like it's time to go watch the second episode of Good Cop.

That scene where his co-workers are watching him through the two way mirror while he is talking to his girlfriend in the interrogation room was priceless.

runs another tv channel: MhZ. (not "Choice" which is a pay service). During the day, they have news programs in English from France, Germany and others. At 6:00 they change to "International Mysteries" which truly is a limited definition of international. All of the programs are from Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Germany, France and Italy. My least favorite are France and Italy. They repeat some of the series so there sometimes isn't anything "new" to watch. Recently saw season 6 of Beck.

I set my DVR to record the ones I'm following or new ones I want to check out. I can then watch when I like. Two I really liked were Thicker than Water and The Legacy. Love the series Beck, also.

We have the main PBS station and then an offbeat one started up. They air the Sicilian Detective Montalbano police stories. I must have 30 episodes on the dvr. Lots of local scenery and the characters are fun to follow. I'll have to check out their schedule more closely and see what else they offer.

I love that show. I like Livia #3 the best. And my favorite character is actually Fazio.

MHz Choice also has the spinoff The Young Montalbano which follows Montalbano as a young detective just starting out. The actor is thin with all his hair!

Italian; not my favorite.

And Fazio?

Catarella also has a place in my heart. Poor guy. He's ... well, he's just Catarella. I love the time he quit because he thought he screwed up too badly and Montalbano went and got him back. He found him outside his house peeling potatoes. Montalbano has such a big heart.

Spiral 5 seasons

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477507/

Braquo 4 seasons

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1429534/

thanks for the recommendations!

Strange but compelling!