A very respresentative room..this is....
So, we got a lot like me who believe in some kind of HP. Some that don't, and they argue..some that are not sure. Some that listen and try for a while and then leave. Some who come back after a while. But this room is like most of them that I have been in. From time to time I go to four 12 step meetings of different issues. I am gratefull..I am not sure why I keep coming back, but it is better than being stoned out of my mind. I lost 60 pounds and have kept most of it off for many years.. . Oh, I am far frorm perfect with food but haven't had a cookie in 2 and half years...No booze for 6 years...Been thru hell and back..But this ain't a bad room as rooms go...and I do keep coming back...thanks for being here..
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[font color = blue]Stuart>> So, we got a lot like me who believe in some kind of HP. Some that don't, and they argue..some that are not sure <<[/font]
Odd, I've been here for about 2 years and I don't remember anyone *NOT* believing in some kind of HP, let alone arguing about whether some kind of HP exists or not. Myself, I'm a big "winner" in this category in that I believe (and know) that I have several HP's -- the IRS, the Dept. of Motor Vehicles, all levels of government that have great power over me, the boss, the list is endless. For recovery purposes, A Group of Drunks - and similarly for other fellowships -- serves as HP's -- I and other people together are by definition a power greater than just me alone. Similarly, a counselor and me is a power greater than me alone.
I never had a problem with Steps 1 and 2. It’s the religiosity of the God God God God God God God of some of the remaining Steps, Tradition 2, and the Big Book (the explicit "G word" is found 136 times in the first 164 pages of the Big Book) and the portrayal of a specific kind of deity Creator God (in a program that claims to be "not religious" and extolling "rigorous honesty"
that are problematical to me and many others (and not just agnostics / atheists), including all 4 of the federal appeals courts and 2 state supreme courts that have ruled on this -- see http://www.democraticunderground.com/1144174#post32 for all that.
On another subject, this JPG file might amuse some -- it’s the Group Of Drunks group in Orlando Florida -- An AA meeting for those with an unconventional concept of a higher power. (I'm in Minneapolis and am not at all familiar with this group, but I love the poster.).
[font color = blue]Stuart>> it is better than being stoned out of my mind. I lost 60 pounds and have kept most of it off for many years.. . Oh, I am far frorm perfect with food but haven't had a cookie in 2 and half years...No booze for 6 years... ...Been thru hell and back.. <<[/font]
That's great!
-Progree
We are nice here...
.hope you stay... 
