I silently yell NO but it's a bitch to stop sometimes.

at one time it was bad until I realized it is just a loop. If I catch myself even approaching doing that again, I just say something out loud or change what I am doing. That seems to break the loop.

I chew my cud

Yeah got PTSD
I chew a lot of cud,myself.

Getting slowly better at catching it and distracting myself from it.

I do that too. I find it to be useful and relaxing. Wouldn't want it to go away. It seems to allow me to navigate unexpected situations more calmly.

it kinda makes me more anxious, especially if it's a convo I shouldn't have or say to anyone!

Ruminate definition:
1. think deeply about something

I had to ruminate often over difficult math problems in college, for example.

Einstein couldn't have solved General Relativity without ruminating about it.

Conversely, people like Trump barely ruminate about anything before opening their big yaps.

I call it silent ranting

I wish the shrink would use a different word, like obsession or something. But even that word doesn't necessarily imply anything mentally unhealthy.

Rumination can significantly contribute to depression, just as worrying about the future can cause anxiety.

The past is history, tomorrow but a dream. All we have is the present, which is a gift.

Malignant memories or coulda woulda shoulda. Contributes greatly to depression.

I can see how that could cause problems!

I've done it too, like after a divorce long ago.

A serendipitous discovery about her addiction to cocaine, which I didn't even realize had started during our marriage, helped immensely to settle the matter in my mind. And nearly all of my rumination about the sudden change of her behavior proved to be pointless self-flagellation. Although it helped teach me to focus on my own character and to not think too much about other people, of whom I ultimately have no control and often little influence.

Perfect example! 👍

85% of the things we worry about never end up happening.
I kept a record of them years ago and his numbers were right on the money.

he's right. I'm out of work on fmla due to stress for a month.
My doctor will extend that, and I'm scared to tell my nutty boss. I feel like I'm letting my coworkers down being out.

I've applied for ssdi, and it'll take a long time to get it.

I'm facing a 50% salary drop, and I'm worried.

Thanks for replying

how does it manifest.? I have conversations in my mind, repetively. Sometimes, I actually speak.

as someone w an autoimmune disorder, every day i have to juggle what i need to do with how much energy i have to do it.
i was having huge anxiety issues. every time i walked by some chore that i was avoiding, it became a greek chorus.
started having trouble getting to sleep. boy, was i haunted by their songs.

got meds that helped, but things undone still have a very sharp edge.

then i review every fuck up i can recall, and feel like shit, and try to figure out how to make it not hurt them any more.

my shrink calls it that.

I'm open to better descriptors

Pls see #21.

glad he's got the term right!

Negative stuff or coulda, shoulda, wouldas.

Glad you have a great therapist!

Have you tried Yale's free Science of Well Being Course?

Perhaps talk with therapist about trying it. Mindfulness - great stuff!

But you seem a bit unsettled, so please do with therapist's approval.

To quell my own rumination, I just fill my head with other things: sing a son, read a book, etc.

you're always so supportive! DU is a godsend.

Now I'm ruminating about ruminating

Ty for your kind compliment.

Have you read about self-compassion?

Imagine your best friend is going through whatever your current challenges are. What would you say to her or him?

Then say it to yourself!

We are no less deserving of compassion than others are.

Great stuff & sounds like you could use it - we all can!

https://self-compassion.org/

Your energy will go to where you focus your attention.

So why not focus on great self-care & eliminate the rumination & negative self-talk, if any?

Do you Perseverate or Ruminate?
April 15, 2015 • 9 Likes • 4 Comments

Carrie Arnold, PhD, MCC

Author | Leadership Consultant & Executive Coach | Public Speaker | Evidence Based Coaching Program Director at Fielding Graduate University

As an executive coach, I work with clients on a variety of leadership issues. Recently the distinction between perseveration and rumination has surfaced in my work. Many clients will use a coaching session to debrief and untangle their thinking about something that has already happened. For different reasons, they cannot let go of the conversation. They are perseverating.

When you perseverate, you have the tendency to repeat an experience over and over (especially when you are trying to sleep at night). This is not positive, and it keeps you in a place of self-doubt, questioning everything you said and did. It’s almost like your brain will not allow the memory to be stored, and you keep reliving the experience. It can be exhausting with little return. It corrodes confidence and is a barrier to leadership effectiveness.

An answer to this cognitive energy drain is to move from perseveration to rumination. Rumination is something our cud-loving cows do quite well. They chew again what has already been slightly chewed and swallowed. It’s when a person goes over something repeatedly, in their mind, but in a slow and casual way. It’s a contemplative state allowing you to mentally chew on something. One could ruminate about the patterns of someone’s behavior or the fears that keep one from taking action. It’s the difference between being on the dance floor versus on the balcony. An elevated view brings a different perspective.

Rumination allows you to see something more objectively and disentangle yourself from some of the emotions. The following questions can help you shift from perseverating to ruminating:

More at the link.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/do-you-perseverate-ruminate-carrie-arnold-ma-pcc-bcc

For the record, I think I do both but not to the point of extremes.

❤pants