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Thunderbeast

(3,533 posts)
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 08:00 PM Oct 2022

"See Something...Say Something?"

As the tag line on the NBC story about the St. Louis
school shooting tonight, the reporter advised the audience to "say something" if they suspect a troubled individual might commit a heinous crime.

Say what?

To whom?

Who in the community has the authority to investigate or intervene in a report of suspicious behaviors.

NEWS FLASH! There is NOBODY in our communities with the capability to monitor every mentally ill citizen. Until someone actually commits a violent crime, the courts WILL NOT intervene. Civil commitments are nearly impossible. State hospital beds are now nearly completely dedicated to forensic patients awaitng trial.

Family and schools can suggest voluntary counsling. Once a child turns 18, there is no legal way to force an intervention.

"See something...Say something" is largely an empty platitude.

There is nobody to listen.

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"See Something...Say Something?" (Original Post) Thunderbeast Oct 2022 OP
There is no one. We have no social service for any of these people. onecaliberal Oct 2022 #1
One group seems to listen. OldBaldy1701E Oct 2022 #2
Yep. It's bullshit. Effete Snob Oct 2022 #3
WE TIP Aanonymous Tip Line // Various States // Safe2Tell for schools TigressDem Oct 2022 #4
Thank you for the post. Thunderbeast Oct 2022 #6
Thank you elleng Oct 2022 #7
Exactly right! stopdiggin Oct 2022 #5

OldBaldy1701E

(6,339 posts)
2. One group seems to listen.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 08:09 PM
Oct 2022

And, they usually execute the person they were supposed to be assisting. THAT is what needs to change most of all... we need agencies that are equipped and trained to handle this type of domestic issue. NOT the gung-ho Chuck Norris wannabes who are looking for any excuse to establish their 'authoritai' over anyone who does not fall prone when they arrive on the scene.

Just my opinion of course.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
4. WE TIP Aanonymous Tip Line // Various States // Safe2Tell for schools
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:01 PM
Oct 2022
https://www.wetip.com/


https://www.phillypolice.com/forms/submit-a-tip/


https://home.chicagopolice.org/services/tipsubmit/


https://www.cctexas.com/crimestoppers


http://www.slcpd.com/resources/submit-a-tip/



https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2018/03/16/to-prevent-suicides-and-school-shootings-more-states-embrace-anonymous-tip-lines


In Colorado, at least two high school students were arrested based on information sent to the state anonymous tip line and mobile app, known as Safe2Tell. “They had a list, they had weapons, they knew exactly what they wanted to do,” said Colorado Attorney General Cynthia Coffman, whose office administers the program.






Do you have a school safety concern to report? Reach out to the following state tip lines:

Colorado: download the Safe2Tell app, call 1-877-542-7233, or submit a report at https://safe2tell.org.

Michigan: download the Ok 2 Say app, call 1-855-565-2729, or submit a report at https://www.michigan.gov/ok2say/.

Nevada: download the SafeVoice Nevada app, call 1-833-216-7233, or submit a report at http://safevoicenv.org/.

Oregon: download the Safe Oregon app, call 1-844-47403367, or submit a report at http://safeoregon.com/.

Utah: download the SafeUT app or call 1-800-273-8255, to find out more go to: healthcare.utah.edu/uni/programs/safe-ut-smartphone-app

Wyoming: download the Safe2Tell Wyoming app, call 1-844-996-7233, or submit a report at https://safe2tellwy.org/.

Thunderbeast

(3,533 posts)
6. Thank you for the post.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:44 PM
Oct 2022

These sites are a promising start. The focus on schools, however, relies on two points of leverage: The school has counselling resources to respond, and the suspected perpetrator is likely a minor with limited civil liberties. Parents are empowered to respond. In cases like Columbine and Springfield, it might have helped. Oxford, Michigan and Sandy Hook demonstrate how parents can become enablers.

Many of the recent school shootings have been carried out by recently graduated young adults...Able to purchase weapons, but out of reach of those who could intervene.

stopdiggin

(12,819 posts)
5. Exactly right!
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:06 PM
Oct 2022
an empty and essentially meaningless platitude. And maybe it's abut time to start calling out the mouthing of meaningless pablum.

We. Have. Virtually. No. Tools ...
That's the honest answer.
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