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intheflow

(28,941 posts)
Mon May 1, 2023, 11:22 AM May 2023

Help me figure out how to tell my incel housemate to move.

Last edited Tue May 2, 2023, 08:35 AM - Edit history (1)

Hi All,

Two years ago a kid (22 year old) who'd grown up in the foster care system answered my ad for a housemate. He was articulate, biracial, and demonstrated a desire to make something of himself. I was hoping to give someone a safe place to get their act together, he seemed like a good kid, and I brought him in.

A couple small red flags began to appear. He wasn't vaxxed and refused to be so, but his employer required weekly COVID tests and was taking precautions (he works in a health care environment), so I let it roll. He started getting really interested in not only getting a gun but getting a conceal carry license. Again, I have been a control activist for my whole life, but I wanted to support a young man of color in being armed because for so many years they've been denied the same 2A rights as white guys. He has a young dog he brought in as a puppy which was fine but now he keeps her in her crate 16-20 hours a day and rarely takes her for walks outside our yard, and he refuses to get her spayed because he might breed her someday (like a puppy mill).

He has been a good roommate - clean, helpful, and cordial. His rent is on time every month. He maintains the yard.

A month ago he posted on Facebook this: "Andrew Tate has said a lot of great things, he shouldn't get slammed for saying one bad thing."

My head kind of exploded. I do not want to give this misogynist shelter any more. At the same time, he's done nothing wrong in terms of being an my housemate, and indeed, he's been better than some of my other former housemates. It's a really crappy rental market right now and even more-so if you have a dog. My son (who is also our landlord) is down with me asking the housemate to leave (housemate is on a month to month lease) for the reasons I want him gone. We have decided that telling him I want him gone because of his views isn't a good idea because it will serve to reinforce his (or Tate's) views that women and liberals are out to get them. I'm not out to get him, I just want to live with someone whose views I don't fear!

We decided it would be best for me to tell him to move because a cousin is moving here for college. I want him gone by August which would give him three months to find a new place. But here's the thing: I hate confrontation and I hate lying. I'm kind of paralyzed thinking about how to approach this. We rarely talk anyway.

Does anyone have any suggestions or ideas, either how to psyche myself up for telling a big lie, or how to start the conversation in the first place? I'm really having a hard time but I know the longer I delay the harder it will be for him to find some place else to live.

UPDATE: I just texted my son to follow the excellent advice of so many in this thread, for him to not renew the lease for legal purposes. I'll let you all know what he says.

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Help me figure out how to tell my incel housemate to move. (Original Post) intheflow May 2023 OP
Your son just needs to inform him he is not renewing the lease. thatdemguy May 2023 #1
i'd give him 30 days and no excuses. mopinko May 2023 #2
I think I agree with you.. Deuxcents May 2023 #3
Can you keep the dog & give it a much better life? irisblue May 2023 #4
I would love to keep her but I already have two dogs. intheflow May 2023 #6
Can you sneak her somewhere? hamsterjill May 2023 #19
If I felt unsafe in my home XanaDUer2 May 2023 #5
No kidding. someone starts talking about carrying a gun in my house, they can find the door. BlackSkimmer May 2023 #8
Absolutely XanaDUer2 May 2023 #9
Actually, I think the anti-vax stance would have had him out of my house pretty damn quick. BlackSkimmer May 2023 #10
We share a 4 bedroom, 2 bath apartment on two floors. intheflow May 2023 #12
It's funny, because that's exactly the lie we came up with. intheflow May 2023 #15
You tried to give him a hand up. Hope22 May 2023 #7
If you feel comfortable XanaDUer2 May 2023 #11
I will. intheflow May 2023 #13
Stay safe XanaDUer2 May 2023 #14
Are you ok nt? XanaDUer2 May 2023 #16
Yes, as I said in my OP, he's perfectly cordial as a housemate. intheflow May 2023 #17
Good XanaDUer2 May 2023 #18

thatdemguy

(524 posts)
1. Your son just needs to inform him he is not renewing the lease.
Mon May 1, 2023, 11:31 AM
May 2023

Its as simple as that, you should not have to get involved. Its a simple letter from your son, clean and simple and most importantly legal.

mopinko

(71,817 posts)
2. i'd give him 30 days and no excuses.
Mon May 1, 2023, 11:32 AM
May 2023

you dont owe him anything. me, i’d tell him why. but he’s not entitled to it.
not sure where you are but here you have to give a written 30 day notice. do it.

Deuxcents

(19,727 posts)
3. I think I agree with you..
Mon May 1, 2023, 11:38 AM
May 2023

Don’t get personally involved and have your son write up the papers and give it to him. You’re a good person and have the right to live an uncomplicated life. Best wishes

irisblue

(34,267 posts)
4. Can you keep the dog & give it a much better life?
Mon May 1, 2023, 11:50 AM
May 2023

Makes it easier for that guy to find a place to move too as well

intheflow

(28,941 posts)
6. I would love to keep her but I already have two dogs.
Mon May 1, 2023, 01:02 PM
May 2023

And to be fair, he does love her, he just has no idea how to take care of a dog and isn't interested in my opinion.

hamsterjill

(15,509 posts)
19. Can you sneak her somewhere?
Thu May 4, 2023, 03:48 PM
May 2023

I am in rescue and you are describing someone who has no interest in having a pet. I don’t care how much he professes to care about the dog.

If at all possible, please get her somewhere that she will be safe and possibly adopted by someone who will truly care for her. Living in a crate 16 hours a day is NOT acceptable.

Dogs get out and run off all the time. Hint. Hint. Wink. Wink.

XanaDUer2

(13,881 posts)
5. If I felt unsafe in my home
Mon May 1, 2023, 01:01 PM
May 2023

He'd have to go, even if it meant fibbing. That's no way to live. Can your relative just tell him a relative will be moving in?

Good luck

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
8. No kidding. someone starts talking about carrying a gun in my house, they can find the door.
Mon May 1, 2023, 03:29 PM
May 2023

Quickly.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
10. Actually, I think the anti-vax stance would have had him out of my house pretty damn quick.
Mon May 1, 2023, 03:37 PM
May 2023

No way did I mess with that back in those days.

That would have been a deal-breaker, and I would have felt no heart-ache in telling someone so.

intheflow

(28,941 posts)
12. We share a 4 bedroom, 2 bath apartment on two floors.
Tue May 2, 2023, 08:33 AM
May 2023

We in a large space, it was easy to keep distance.

intheflow

(28,941 posts)
15. It's funny, because that's exactly the lie we came up with.
Tue May 2, 2023, 08:39 AM
May 2023

We have a cousin in a rural part of the country who's always talking about leaving her cowtown. She's a nurse and we have a large hospital system in our city. We figured a lie with elements of the truth would be best, so the lie is she's coming here to work and bringing her kids (hence why he has to leave our 4-bedroom apartment, to make room for the kids).

Hope22

(2,877 posts)
7. You tried to give him a hand up.
Mon May 1, 2023, 01:51 PM
May 2023

He chose to continue his spiral downward. Stay safe and try to tell the closest thing to truth that your heart will believe. It’s hard to say he needs to go because of the gun but next roommate no matter how sane needs the no gun rule. People are just too off center now. Prepare to change the locks and add some extra protection when he is gone. Camera and possibly motion activated lights if that is possible in your area. My best to you! My heart goes out to you for trying! 🙏💗

intheflow

(28,941 posts)
17. Yes, as I said in my OP, he's perfectly cordial as a housemate.
Thu May 4, 2023, 01:52 PM
May 2023

I just don't want to give him shelter any more. My son and I are going to talk with him together next Saturday (5/13) because his lease says that any changes in his residency have to be approved by me. I feel better knowing I don't have to do this alone and my son has my back. But I'll post again after it goes down. Thank you so much for caring and following up!

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