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Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 06:11 PM Feb 2016

Any Mayflower descends here?

My uncle has been into genealogy for about 25 years, maybe longer, and a few years ago he gave us all CD's of his findings.

I recently had another look at my uncle's research, particularly at the names and dates that were from the 15 and 1600's. I noticed there was a notation next to one of the names - 'Mass USA'. I didn't know we had any relatives connected to the US beside me - I've lived here over 40 years. Anyway, I looked up the name next to the notation and I was rather blown away.

The name was John Tilley and it turns out that John Tilley, along with his wife, daughter and brother were Pilgrims on the Mayflower. They all died the first winter except for the girl. The Tilley's son, Robert stayed behind in England and because Robert's father was a Pilgrim on the Mayflower - I am a Mayflower descended!

I know the English village the Tilley's were born in very well. My family all still live in the same county. All of us have been born within a 12 mile radius for hundreds of years.

My uncle started his research the old fashion way, on foot. He had no idea of the Mayflower connection and when I told him at first he didn't really grasp the significance of it. He understands now.

Thanks to his research, I names, dates and villages going back to the 1500's and even the 1400's and look forward to discovering who else is hiding in the family tree.

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Any Mayflower descends here? (Original Post) Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2016 OP
People's stories are always so fascinating GeoWilliam750 Feb 2016 #1
John Howland & Elizabeth (Tilley) frogmarch Feb 2016 #2
So we are related then. Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2016 #3
Howdy, cousin! frogmarch Feb 2016 #5
Howdy to you too. Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2016 #6
There’s a portrait of our ancestor frogmarch Feb 2016 #7
I'm a descendant of his brother, Henry Howland. OnionPatch Sep 2016 #22
I'm related to Dubya dgibby Feb 2017 #24
Descendant of Degory Priest here. historylovr Feb 2016 #4
No, but close WolverineDG Feb 2016 #8
I missed your post before I made mine below dflprincess May 2016 #17
This entry is not complete WolverineDG May 2016 #18
My earliest Fuller is Robert dflprincess May 2016 #19
Nope, I have a few ancestors who were in Virginia before the Mayflower though (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Feb 2016 #9
as do i shanti Feb 2016 #10
I am through my paternal grandmother me b zola Feb 2016 #11
oftentimes shanti Jun 2016 #20
No, my family are Quakers. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #12
Not Me Canadian Interloper Mar 2016 #13
My husband is -- John Alden and Priscilla Mullins TuxedoKat Mar 2016 #14
I am--through Stephen Hopkins and his daughter Constance cynannmarie Apr 2016 #15
Yes and no dflprincess May 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author wishstar Jun 2016 #21
Not me, but... pipi_k Dec 2016 #23
My wife is from Stephen Hopkins CanonRay Feb 2017 #25

GeoWilliam750

(2,540 posts)
1. People's stories are always so fascinating
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:50 PM
Feb 2016

Got lots of them in my tree, too, although no Mayflower of which I am aware.

Also, by the bye, Like your screen name.

frogmarch

(12,226 posts)
2. John Howland & Elizabeth (Tilley)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:54 PM
Feb 2016

and her parents John and Joan (Hurst) Tilley.

John Howland was in his early twenties and Elizabeth 13 when they arrived on the Mayflower. They married four or five years later.

Elizabeth's parents John and Joan Tilley & her aunt and uncle Edward and Agnes Tilley had all died the first winter in the New World, leaving her an orphan.

Through John and Elizabeth I am related to Dubya and his dad, and to Sarah Palin. I am also related to Dubya through a Salem "witch." Cool, huh?

frogmarch

(12,226 posts)
7. There’s a portrait of our ancestor
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:27 PM
Feb 2016

John Howland in this interesting article about him:

http://spyhollywood.com/2-million-americans-trace-roots-to-pilgram-john-howland/

Oh, and look at what else I found – a children’s book about him.

http://www.amazon.com/Fell-Mayflower-John-Howlands-Fortune/dp/0763665843



From what I’ve gathered on the internets:

Pilgrim John Howland arrived on the Mayflower as an indentured servant but in later years became executive assistant and personal secretary to Governor John Carver. John Howland’s true age in 1620 is unknown, but because he signed the Mayflower Compact and helped found Plymouth Colony, he is thought to have been at least 18 years old. Most historians put his age at between 18 and 21 in 1620 – so he probably was a young man when he fell overboard, not a boy as the book title says.



EDIT: A cousin who's a genealogist said the photo isn't of our ancestor who fell overboard but of his grandson or great-grandson named John Howland.

OnionPatch

(6,217 posts)
22. I'm a descendant of his brother, Henry Howland.
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 02:15 PM
Sep 2016

Unfortunately, Henry didn't come over until a few years after John. I think I read that Henry came on the Anne ~1623. So I'm not a Mayflower descendent but I am a descendent of Pilgrims. And a distant cousin to you.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
24. I'm related to Dubya
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 03:34 PM
Feb 2017

through the Pruddens and the Walkers, but haven't found any Tilleys yet. Since all of my mother's people landed in either New England or Maryland, I'm still looking for Mayflower connections, but haven't found one yet.

WolverineDG

(22,298 posts)
8. No, but close
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:06 PM
Feb 2016

every now & then I think I find a Mayflower ancestor, but nope. The closest I can get is the Fullers of Redenhall, England. Uncle Fuller & his family were on the ship, my ancestor, a nephew, came a year or so later.

dflprincess

(28,468 posts)
17. I missed your post before I made mine below
Fri May 20, 2016, 11:01 PM
May 2016

I am descended from Edward Fuller who was on the Mayflower and his son, Matthew - who arrived in Plymouth after his parents.

We must be cousins of some kind.

dflprincess

(28,468 posts)
19. My earliest Fuller is Robert
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:29 PM
May 2016

1543 - 1614; birth and death are both recorded as Redenhall, Norfolk.

He was the father of Edward (the Mayflower passenger); Robert's son, Samuel, was also on the Mayflower.

shanti

(21,716 posts)
10. as do i
Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:56 PM
Feb 2016

do you watch, "finding your roots", with skip gates? they had neil patrick-harris, who is related to william farrar, one of the earliest virginia immigrants, on a recent show. farrar married a "comely widow", cecily jordan. i'm related to her.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
11. I am through my paternal grandmother
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:24 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Fri May 6, 2016, 09:43 PM - Edit history (1)

... from whom I am also "eligible" to be a DAR. I should really get all of this documented and officially recognized so that I may pass it on to my grandchildren.

TuxedoKat

(3,821 posts)
14. My husband is -- John Alden and Priscilla Mullins
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:19 AM
Mar 2016

He may have a few others as well. I haven't found one for myself yet, keep hoping though someday when I start researching again.

cynannmarie

(113 posts)
15. I am--through Stephen Hopkins and his daughter Constance
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 12:29 AM
Apr 2016

Stephen was one of the "Strangers" (not the religious "Saints&quot . He was an adventurer and a truly colorful character. Was the only one in history to have been both at Jamestown and at Plymouth. On the way to Jamestown in 1609 the ship he was on was shipwrecked near Bermuda and the crew stayed there for about 10 months before getting to Jamestown, which was in a very bad state by then. A couple years later Stephen went back to England because he got word that his wife had died there. In 1620 he set out again for the New World on the Mayflower with his new wife and 2 children (Constance and Giles) from 1st marriage and another from the 2nd marriage. His wife gave birth on that wretched ship on the way over, to a child they named Oceanus. Stephen and his wife and children were the only family that survived the devastating first year with no one dying. (Only 4 women made it.) The account of the 1609 shipwreck at Bermuda had gotten back to England and Shakespeare heard of it and used it as the basis for his play "The Tempest", which has a character in it called Stephano.

I have learned so much history in researching my genealogy. It really makes it come alive.

dflprincess

(28,468 posts)
16. Yes and no
Fri May 20, 2016, 10:58 PM
May 2016

I'm descended from Edward Fuller and his wife Anne Hopkins (there is some question about her name). They both died the first year. Their son, Matthew, is my 10th great-grandfather. He arrived in Plymouth after his parents, not sure exactly when but he married his wife, Frances Hannah Lyde, in Plymouth in 1725.

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