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Any Daughters of the American Revolution here? (Original Post) MoonchildCA Oct 2020 OP
My Aunt told me that I can trace my lineage back that far (Mother's side) leftieNanner Oct 2020 #1
Tammy Duckworth (D) Senator from Illinois is DAR see really interesting video : mucifer Oct 2020 #2
Ouch! I hadn't seen that clip. They certainly do have a "type." Dumbasses abound in the gop. catbyte Oct 2020 #5
They used to be very right-wing and racist. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #3
I have the same feelings toward them dflprincess Oct 2020 #4
I'm a direct descendant of General Israel Putnam. MoonchildCA Oct 2020 #7
I actually have at least two ancestors. LisaM Oct 2020 #10
I actually have at least two ancestors. LisaM Oct 2020 #11
I am. I just joined last year. LisaM Oct 2020 #6
That's cool. MoonchildCA Oct 2020 #8
Herself belongs to the DAR. TomSlick Oct 2020 #9
Herself? Am I missing something? MoonchildCA Oct 2020 #12
It's a Scottish/Irish thing. TomSlick Oct 2020 #13
Ah, okay. I have a bit of the Scottish in me as well. MoonchildCA Oct 2020 #14
Alba gu brath! TomSlick Oct 2020 #15
Montgomery for me. (All-paternal side.) Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #17
The Clan Montgomery supported the English in the Jacobite uprisings. TomSlick Oct 2020 #42
Hugh Montgomery was a "founding father" of... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #43
General Richard Montgomery - one of those Ulster Irish - was a hero of the Revolutionary War. TomSlick Oct 2020 #44
Yep, and my county too! Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #45
McDowell clan here! shanti Nov 2020 #47
No, but I joined Sons (SAR) years ago. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #16
I was in my 20's when I joined and... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #18
I can join the SAR, I just don't want to. The Genealogist Oct 2020 #25
I mostly wanted a repository for the genealogies. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #26
That is ridiculous. The Genealogist Oct 2020 #27
I'm an introvert, and I can recall my hands trembling... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #28
have they stopped KT2000 Oct 2020 #19
Well, I know they've ended racist policies, but I don't know about their "ways." MoonchildCA Oct 2020 #29
I looked into joining last year happybird Oct 2020 #20
I'm in no rush, it's just something I've considered over the past few years. MoonchildCA Oct 2020 #30
I am DAR on both sides of my family WhiteTara Oct 2020 #21
Do you mean Daughters of the Confederacy? Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #22
No! Soxfan58 Oct 2020 #23
I am dflprincess Nov 2020 #46
Trump and his family will never join. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #24
Well it's good to know I'll never have to rub elbows with Ivanka. MoonchildCA Oct 2020 #31
Of course I'm talking the revolution WhiteTara Oct 2020 #32
Okay, that's cool! Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #33
Thanks WhiteTara Oct 2020 #34
That's the case for everyone. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #36
Hey! WhiteTara Oct 2020 #35
I asked about the possible Civil War confusion earlier. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #37
I come from a long line of fighters WhiteTara Oct 2020 #40
I joined in my 20's and it wasn't what I expected. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #41
I really have to get off the computer WhiteTara Oct 2020 #38
You too! Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #39
I went to a local meeting TuxedoKat Nov 2020 #48
I could join DAR and Daughters of the Confederacy if I wanted to yellowdogintexas Apr 2024 #49
Here are some statistics on sickle cell trait according to ethnicity. wnylib May 2024 #50
thanks! I suspect some sort of Mediterranean ancestry sneaked in there yellowdogintexas May 2024 #52
I found one branch of my grandmother's family going back wnylib May 2024 #53
I have been a DAR member for several years. arkielib May 2024 #51
Post removed Post removed Aug 2024 #54

leftieNanner

(15,671 posts)
1. My Aunt told me that I can trace my lineage back that far (Mother's side)
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:13 PM
Oct 2020

But I've never done it. Would be interested in what you find out.

mucifer

(24,728 posts)
2. Tammy Duckworth (D) Senator from Illinois is DAR see really interesting video :
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:13 PM
Oct 2020

Tammy briefly kicks Senator Kirk's ass discussing her genealogy. Took her less than 2 minutes. It probably won her her Senate seat.



The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,154 posts)
3. They used to be very right-wing and racist.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:18 PM
Oct 2020

They were infamous for refusing to allow Marian Anderson to sing at a concert in 1939, bringing down the wrath of Eleanor Roosevelt - who arranged for her to sing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. My grandmother belonged (she managed to locate some ancestor who'd been a soldier in the Revolution), so I suppose I could join, too, but I was always put off by their conservative leanings. I don't know whether that has changed more recently.

dflprincess

(28,440 posts)
4. I have the same feelings toward them
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:26 PM
Oct 2020

My dad's sister and a couple of his cousins belonged, but I've always said I could never join an organization Eleanor Roosevelt resigned from in protest.

MoonchildCA

(1,337 posts)
7. I'm a direct descendant of General Israel Putnam.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:40 PM
Oct 2020

Like all of us here, I consider myself a patriot, but I hate the fact that that term has been taken over by the right-wing.

My 7-times Great-grandfather, General Putnam, served along side George Washington, and helped win the revolutionary war.

The local chapter has been sewing and donating masks, and I am in a somewhat liberal area, I just don’t know how to go about inquiring their political leanings as they are not supposed to be political...

LisaM

(28,459 posts)
10. I actually have at least two ancestors.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:51 PM
Oct 2020

Another one was in New Jersey and so I wonder if he was in the Battle of Trenton.

I am sure there are plenty of conservatives in the DAR, but as an organization, they seem pretty neutral. I do live in a liberal area, though I joined a chapter back in Michigan.

My grandmother was a member too. I don't have kids, but I also thought that if my niece get interested when she grows up, my being a member would make it easier for her to dig up the info she needs. Dues are (hilariously) $76 a year.

LisaM

(28,459 posts)
11. I actually have at least two ancestors.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:55 PM
Oct 2020

Another one was in New Jersey and so I wonder if he was in the Battle of Trenton.

I am sure there are plenty of conservatives in the DAR, but as an organization, they seem pretty neutral. I do live in a liberal area, though I joined a chapter back in Michigan.

My grandmother was a member too. I don't have kids, but I also thought that if my niece get interested when she grows up, my being a member would make it easier for her to dig up the info she needs. Dues are (hilariously) $76 a year.

LisaM

(28,459 posts)
6. I am. I just joined last year.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 10:35 PM
Oct 2020

They send a magazine and a lot of emails. Nothing seems overtly political, actually, it doesn't seem political at all. My mom - strong Democrat - wanted me to join. It was cool to find out I had an ancestor who was a Minute Man.



TomSlick

(11,761 posts)
42. The Clan Montgomery supported the English in the Jacobite uprisings.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 02:24 PM
Oct 2020

But like old primaries, we should not continue to fight old wars.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,025 posts)
43. Hugh Montgomery was a "founding father" of...
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 02:31 PM
Oct 2020

... the Scots-Irish, or Ulster Scots, too. It was encouraged by his friend, King James, to supposedly help turn Ireland to Protestantism.

Centuries of fighting and deaths ensued, obviously.

They had a long feud with the Cunningham clan too. Given how I'd like to wring the neck of a local right-wing radio host named Bill Cunningham, I like to pretend that all of the Cunningham's in Scotland were just like him.

TomSlick

(11,761 posts)
44. General Richard Montgomery - one of those Ulster Irish - was a hero of the Revolutionary War.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 03:29 PM
Oct 2020

There are many places in the U.S. named for General Montgomery, e.g. Montgomery, Alabama and Montgomery County, Arkansas.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,025 posts)
45. Yep, and my county too!
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 03:44 PM
Oct 2020

Last edited Sat Oct 24, 2020, 05:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Montgomery County, OH.

I'm not a descendant of him, but I think he was from the same clan in Scotland.

Their Y-DNA has roots from the Middle East, of all places. The Y-Tree seems to indicate a Phoenician (Lebanon) origin, then Sardinian and later British/Scottish. So maybe their ancestors actually arrived with the Romans? Hard to know.

Other Montgomery's show a more typical R-haplogroup (among others) for the British Isles.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,025 posts)
16. No, but I joined Sons (SAR) years ago.
Fri Oct 23, 2020, 11:24 PM
Oct 2020

I had found 14 "patriot" ancestors and mostly wanted a place to hold the various documentation (other than myself).

The local meetings didn't impress me very much, and I soon learned that I was much more liberal than the other attendees. It might vary depending on the location?

I ended my membership after getting a second "supplemental" ancestor in the records at Louisville (for a total of three), and I was once again given a tit-for-tat situation by a local member in order for him to approve my paperwork and records to send them forward to the verifying genealogists at Louisville. (I don't think the DAR includes that ridiculous initial screening step.)

He said that it looked good, but he'd need me to do the local chapter a favor before he'd send the information. (Despite me already paying for it. It's not like it cost me nothing money-wise.)

So I asked what it entailed, and he said I needed to pass out medals to some JROTC students at a high school for their various achievements. I initially declined, saying that I didn't want to stand in front of a crowd of students and give a speech or whatever. He replied, "No, no, no... it's nothing like that. Their commander will give a speech at the ceremony while you await off-stage, and then you'll just pass out the medals when he announces it's time for that part of it." So I agreed.

Showed up on schedule. While behind the curtain and listening to their commander at the podium, he suddenly announced to the crowd of students and their families that I'd give a speech to them about the SAR for about 15 minutes and then I'd pass out awards! Then he turned towards me while clapping, as I stayed behind the curtain while waving my arms from side to side and mouthing "No! No! No!"

After he ignored that, I slowly stepped onto the stage and behind the podium. I wasn't prepared for a speech at all! I started by pulling an SAR pamphlet out of my pocket and just reading it to the crowd, while my mind was scrambling about what else to tell them. During that time, I decided to recount the history (probably not entirely accurate) of my ancestor from Maryland who was an officer during the Southern Campaign of the war.

I explained their repeated losses to the Brits, and how Nathaniel Greene had adopted guerrilla tactics instead. And how the Brits destroyed their supplies in a push to catch them and destroy Greene's forces once and for all. And how that decision, which was unsuccessful, resulted in their troops seeking new supplies at Yorktown VA, where Washington and Greene trapped them by land while French ships trapped them by sea. And how it ultimately lead to the British surrender and the end of the war. Then I added some "Rah, rah America!" commentary at the end of some kind, and announced that's all I wanted to share.

Then I stood there at the podium while thinking, "They hated it! Nobody is making a sound out there!" But then as I started to step away from the podium, the place erupted into loud applause and whistles! So I took a couple steps back to the podium, nodded my head at them, and then walked behind the curtain again.

The commander-guy returned to the podium while clapping, where he praised my "rousing" speech about this country's wonderful history, and the crowd loudly applauded again. Yadda, yadda, yadda.

Then I handed out the medals while the JROTC students (who were really quite nice) acted like I was a hero or something.

So it turned out far better than I could have imagined, but I was still bitter about yet another lie (or misunderstanding) by the local SAR guy when he asked for the favor, and that ended the SAR membership for me.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,025 posts)
18. I was in my 20's when I joined and...
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 12:18 AM
Oct 2020

... everyone else that I met during local meetings were very old! So the big age difference wasn't very conducive to making any real connections / friendships for me there.

So that might be something to keep in mind too? Yet it seemed like the DAR had more women of all ages.

The Genealogist

(4,726 posts)
25. I can join the SAR, I just don't want to.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 06:24 AM
Oct 2020

It would be easy-peasy. I have several verifiable ancestors who fought in the revolution, and various relatives of mine have joined without issue. I'm just wary of such groups.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,025 posts)
26. I mostly wanted a repository for the genealogies.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 06:29 AM
Oct 2020

My thought process in the 90's was that my work might be lost and some future relative would have to start from scratch.

I'm not concerned about it now. There's all kinds of electronic records.

I really disliked the SAR's initial screening process of the documentation. It was rick-solid, and I didn't need some old guy to barely look at it and then basically blackmail me to do favors for them.

The Genealogist

(4,726 posts)
27. That is ridiculous.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 06:37 AM
Oct 2020

I fully understand where you're coming from on all counts. I'd have been furious about both the jerk who was blackmailing you, and the jerk who made you do the speech for which you were unprepared. I have issues with anxiety and this scenario with the speech would NOT have ended well for me!

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,025 posts)
28. I'm an introvert, and I can recall my hands trembling...
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 06:44 AM
Oct 2020

... when I started. (Not a major introvert, but still an introvert.)

Then I started recounting the recent history books that I'd read, often pausing to tell the story in a sensible manner, and I think that reduced the trembling because my brain was going through a work-out to make the words flow in an easy-to-follow manner.

Despite the applause, I was still salty about it!

KT2000

(20,779 posts)
19. have they stopped
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 12:23 AM
Oct 2020

their racist ways? My mother told me I could join but she did not like organizations like that. She didn't and I didn't.

MoonchildCA

(1,337 posts)
29. Well, I know they've ended racist policies, but I don't know about their "ways."
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:17 AM
Oct 2020

I’m sure local chapters vary. I’m in California, but I still don’t know much about them.

happybird

(5,060 posts)
20. I looked into joining last year
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 12:39 AM
Oct 2020

but got busy with work and never finished the process (my Aunt in Michigan has all the genealogy paperwork, never got around to having her mail it to me).

I know a few of the women in the local chapter and they are definitely liberals.
It most likely varies from place to place. NOVA is pretty blue, in general.

Normally, I would suggest going to see a guest speaker or some other public event hosted by your local chapter, to feel things out and chat people up a bit, but that’s probably not possible now because of covid.

MoonchildCA

(1,337 posts)
30. I'm in no rush, it's just something I've considered over the past few years.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:21 AM
Oct 2020

It’s good to hear that you know a few liberal members.
Maybe I will wait, and do as you suggest.

WhiteTara

(30,128 posts)
21. I am DAR on both sides of my family
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 01:36 AM
Oct 2020

My father's family was in the north and my mother's family was in the south. The civil war talk at our dinner table was rather hilarious sometimes.

I thought of joining the local chapters in various states where I've lived, but I feel like it's like bragging about something someone else did. All I did was get born generations later and their accomplishments were so big that it feels like I'm taking credit for a name.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,025 posts)
22. Do you mean Daughters of the Confederacy?
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 05:46 AM
Oct 2020

The American Revolutionary War against the British (1775-1783) is what the DAR and SAR are about.

That was basically a civil war too, though, since many Americans wanted to remain subjects (Loyalists) of the king. Many people in the South were that way.

dflprincess

(28,440 posts)
46. I am
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 11:30 PM
Nov 2020

My dad's cousin did a lot of geneology work years ago, after she retired she actually traveled around the country looking up records and contacting relatives. Luckily, one of her daughters added most of her research to Ancestry so I was able to piggy back on all her work.

So, I'm descended from Edward Fuller (who did not survive the first year, fortunately his sons did) how about you?

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,025 posts)
24. Trump and his family will never join.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 06:09 AM
Oct 2020

He has no ancestors who fought in that war according to professional genealogists.

WhiteTara

(30,128 posts)
32. Of course I'm talking the revolution
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:35 AM
Oct 2020

My parents were just crazy and being from both sides of the mason dixon line brought endless amusement.

My dad's family came here in the late 1500s from Wales by way of Barbados and were deeply involved in the war of independence by both signing the Declaration (my grandfather's reward was to have the family estate burned to the ground, cattle stolen and the people driven from their home.) My uncle assembled the final writing for the Constitution and penned the preamble and was Washington's ambassador to France during their revolution and he 600wrote their constitution as well.

My mother's family came to Tennessee from England in the early 1600s, fought on the side of the revolution as well and includes ambassadors and a SCOTUS justice.

When we get to the Civil War my families were on opposite sides of the war and hence the rancor about generations gone by.

As I said, these aren't my accomplishments.

WhiteTara

(30,128 posts)
35. Hey!
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:40 AM
Oct 2020

I just answered someone else's question on your post! I love the internet. You got much more information than you wanted. Sorry about that!

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,025 posts)
37. I asked about the possible Civil War confusion earlier.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:43 AM
Oct 2020

I was thrown off because you described that part of your family's past in the body of your previous post.

WhiteTara

(30,128 posts)
40. I come from a long line of fighters
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:47 AM
Oct 2020

I get confused about which war is going on sometimes.

So, do you think it's worthwhile to join with people who revere the revolution? I have always thought that they would be more interested in how it puffed up their lives. But did you get the genealogy info that you hoped for?

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,025 posts)
41. I joined in my 20's and it wasn't what I expected.
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:51 AM
Oct 2020

I mostly joined in the early 1990's to get the documents stored in their library, for any future relatives who might be curious about it since my living relatives don't care about it.

Not much point in being so concerned about that anymore, with improvements in electronic records.

WhiteTara

(30,128 posts)
38. I really have to get off the computer
Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:43 AM
Oct 2020

eat breakfast, have more coffee because it was a different post, but still you! Oh my, my dotage is showing. Have a wonderful day

TuxedoKat

(3,821 posts)
48. I went to a local meeting
Fri Nov 27, 2020, 02:00 PM
Nov 2020

a long time ago in my early '20s. Most of the women were much older, 60's+, but they were very nice. They had a young native American man speak at their meeting. Later I left at the same time as him and his girlfriend as we walked to the elevator. They looked at me sort of curiously as to why someone my age would what to join such a group but were too polite to ask. I never joined, just felt like it wasn't for me at the time.

Another time, also when in my very early '20s, my great aunt and her daughters came to DC for the DAR Convention and invited my dad and I to come for the first night. It was quite a show. At the start of the convention, a huge flag was released and fluttered down from the ceiling. Very dramatic. Then 50 young women, all dressed in white marched in carrying their state flag and deposited them around the podium. There was a speaker too, a retired general, who gave a very pro-military speech. My dad was highly amused at all my reactions to the convention and we exchanged several amused glances, especially during the speech. My great aunt noticed us and made a comment, something like, "well he had very strong opinions".

yellowdogintexas

(22,648 posts)
49. I could join DAR and Daughters of the Confederacy if I wanted to
Tue Apr 30, 2024, 06:41 PM
Apr 2024

I did the My Heritage DNA which just traces where our ancestors originated.
Most of it supported the things I had been told about the roots of my family, particularly my mother's: English, Scotch, Irish and a little German.
Mostly the same on my father's side with Wales and Swiss thrown in. It has been a lot of fun rummaging through all of this stuff and it is addicting.

Kentucky was settled early and all branches of my family trace back to pre Civil war times. There are definitely soldiers from the Revolutionary period so yes I could join DAR, if I wanted to. One ancestor of my Great grandmother did fight in the Confederate army.

One really cool discovery though: our grandfather told us we were direct descendants of President John Tyler. My sister and I just sort of did mental eyerolls at that. Come to find out it is really true; My great grandmother was a Tyler, and her father was the president's grandson. Something else: those Tylers were really good at having kids!! President Tyler's father was Governor of Virginia and one of his brothers was a US Senator from Virginia. Tyler was not that great of a president as far as I can tell. He was the first vice president to succeed to the presidency due to death of the president though .

He still has one living grandchild who is 95.

Now I want to do 23 and Me. The local blood center tells me I carry Sickle Cell Trait, which is nuts considering how totally white I am!!! They call me when they are desparate for blood to help a Sickle Cell patient who is having surgery. I really want to know how I ended up carrying this trait. I think it is pretty bizarre, considering how long my ancestors have been in North America, and as far as I can tell none of them originated around the Mediterranean area.

wnylib

(24,178 posts)
50. Here are some statistics on sickle cell trait according to ethnicity.
Wed May 15, 2024, 07:03 AM
May 2024
https://www.txhealthsteps.com/static/warehouse/1076-2009-Dec-2-5rauxyhn2z019k2l7075/section_1.html#:~:text=Sickle%20cell%20disease%20occurs%20in%20many%20other%20races%20and%20ethnicities,Americans%20carry%20sickle%20cell%20trait.

Regarding DAR membership, I'm eligible through my paternal grandmother. My 5th g-grandfather was a militia member from MA in the Revolution and his father was a militia officer from MA.

I was never interested in joining the DAR. The ancestral history is interesting to my family and to me, but membership is based in the actions of a select group, not on anything I achieved. I'm happy for their service in creating a nation that I was born into. But, my citizenship is shared with millions of others who are citizens by birth or by naturalization, who are not Revolutionary descendants. What I do today to preserve that nation for all of us is more important to me.

Besides, General Washington complained about militia members being less useful because they were less well trained and disciplined than regular Army members. There's also the fact that the other side of my grandmother's family descended from people who fought for the British. So there's that to think about. Can't take credit or blame for what my my ancestors did.


yellowdogintexas

(22,648 posts)
52. thanks! I suspect some sort of Mediterranean ancestry sneaked in there
Thu May 16, 2024, 01:43 PM
May 2024

somehow. My DNA test from My Heritage showed a very tiny percentage from Spain so maybe it's that. Who knows?

I received some new matches in my ancestry which go back to the 1500s in England. Direct line through 10 generations through the Tyler branch. It took me by surprise that it had been tracked that far. I discovered the Revolutionary ancestors in the Tylers.

wnylib

(24,178 posts)
53. I found one branch of my grandmother's family going back
Thu May 16, 2024, 04:33 PM
May 2024

to the 1400s and another to the 1200s. Once in the American colonies, a couple ancestors in one of those lines married colonial descendants who trace back to the Normans, who in turn had ancestral lines in France and Spain. But that was so long ago (1500+ years ago), with so many generations since then, that it's genetically insignificant today. There are some Scots and Welsh who made it into the family tree, too, but most were Anglo-Saxon and Norman English.

I found those people at Ancestry about 25 years ago, when Ancestry was fairly new and the trees were better researched and documented, not so muddled like they are today. Still, I had to verify what I found to be sure that the information was accurate.

The fun part was finding out as much as I could about some of those people in records from their communities. There are some good tales about a few of them.



arkielib

(340 posts)
51. I have been a DAR member for several years.
Wed May 15, 2024, 07:44 AM
May 2024

The members of my local chapter tend to keep politics out of our meetings, and religion as well for the most part. Not all chapters do though. I’ve been to some regional meetings where I thought some attendees crossed the line and were too political or inserted their religious views where they were not needed or welcome - at least by me. And they are always right-wing unfortunately.

So I think it depends on the local chapter, and probably the area where you live. I’m in a deep red state. My chapter lets prospective members attend some meetings while they are deciding whether or not to join, and/or getting their “paperwork” completed. If you can do that maybe you can get an idea of how that chapter operates.

They do a lot of good projects, and they are not religious or political.

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