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yardwork

(64,357 posts)
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:22 PM Mar 2012

I would like to install beadboard molding in my little half-bath

I watched a video that Lowes made and installation requires a lot of precision cutting with a circular saw. Can I use a saw like that in the house? I live in a condo and don't have a workshop. I have a patio outside with an electrical outlet - I could cut things out there. Is it reasonable to do this kind of work without a workshop, garage, or dedicated place?

Can I learn enough by watching youtube videos or would it be dangerous to try to learn by using power tools?

I'm happy to find this group on DU because I'm interested in doing more home improvement jobs myself, but I don't know where to begin. Never used power tools, don't have a clue. Want to learn.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice.

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I would like to install beadboard molding in my little half-bath (Original Post) yardwork Mar 2012 OP
Use the patio if you can liberal N proud Mar 2012 #1
Good luck with the project! Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #2
It depends jeff47 Mar 2012 #3
good point about the table saw. Joe Shlabotnik Mar 2012 #4
However, it can be rented. Warpy Mar 2012 #6
This is very helpful advice. Yes, I had in mind wainscoting. yardwork Mar 2012 #9
If it's tiny, I don't recommend beadboard jeff47 Mar 2012 #11
This is great! Could I get the chair rail molding pre-cut at the hardware store? yardwork Mar 2012 #12
Not if you want it to fit. jeff47 Mar 2012 #14
Doh! I never heard of a mitre box. Just googled it. How have I lived without this?! yardwork Mar 2012 #15
You learn by doing. jeff47 Mar 2012 #17
Dude, seriously, if you have no experience with power tools, hire sombody that does. OffWithTheirHeads Mar 2012 #5
You got that right. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #24
"...I'm interested in doing more home improvement jobs myself." Adsos Letter Mar 2012 #7
This is very helpful advice, not just for me, but for other members of my HOA who may be considering yardwork Mar 2012 #13
I'm remodeling my kitchen and have been reading a lot of home improvement Melissa G Mar 2012 #8
How did you learn how to do it? yardwork Mar 2012 #16
I watch the people I hire and I sometimes help if they are friends Melissa G Mar 2012 #18
This is a great site. badhair77 Mar 2012 #20
Glad you liked it! n/t Melissa G Mar 2012 #21
Thanks for the responses. This is all very helpful. yardwork Mar 2012 #10
a tip I did not see... Phentex Mar 2012 #19
late to the party tru Apr 2012 #22
Thanks! I am holding off on this. Some other things came up... yardwork Apr 2012 #23

liberal N proud

(60,945 posts)
1. Use the patio if you can
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:32 PM
Mar 2012

The noise and mess make it a difficult task in the house. It can be done but dust will be everywhere and you will need hearing protection.

Good luck.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,312 posts)
2. Good luck with the project!
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:40 PM
Mar 2012

No advice as I am the anti-handy person, but I do love me some beadboard.

Before and after pics would be cool.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
3. It depends
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:47 PM
Mar 2012

If you mean "beadboard molding" that goes only about 2-3 feet up the wall, you're actually talking about wainscoting (usually pronounced like "wayne's coating" or "wayne's coting&quot

If you mean "beadboard molding" that covers the entire wall, then you're talking about paneling. I'm gonna assume you mean wainscoting.

The difficulty is directly proportional to the shape of your bathroom. If it's a square, it's not too hard. If it's not a square, it is harder. If it has any outside corners, it's even harder. If it has any round walls, leave it to a pro or a very experienced amateur.

Also, the walls are probably not straight. If they are far enough out of plumb (aka. straight vertically), it can be difficult to make the beadboard pattern look good - those lines will reveal the walls are leaning when the lines come together in the corners.

Finally, the corners aren't going to be 90 degrees - it's actually almost impossible to create a perfect 90 in a house due to finishing issues and settling.

One thing that can help cover imperfections is molding - Put some baseboard on top of the beadboard to cover gaps between the beadboard and the floor. That will also give you some room to fiddle with the beadboard so the lines look straight. Consider using "L" shaped molding on any corners (or cut some 3/4" wood into the widths you need). You will also want a chair rail or cap rail to cover the top of the beadboard.

Finally, start the pattern in the most visible spot in the room - usually the wall or a corner across from the door. Ideally, you will end behind the door because that's the least visible part of the room, and so the pattern not lining up will be the least noticeable.

Can I use a saw like that in the house?

Yep. They're kinda loud though, so you should expect to use it during "normal" hours. You'll also make a lot of sawdust, which will go everywhere.

Is it reasonable to do this kind of work without a workshop, garage, or dedicated place?

The tricky part is the beadboard pattern means you've got a lot of straight, vertical lines. That means if your cuts aren't straight, it's going to be obvious. So you'll need to have some patience and take your time while making the cuts if you use a hand-held saw. I highly recommend getting some form of straightedge you can clamp onto the beadboard as a guide.

A "pro" might use a tablesaw instead, which makes it easier to cut a very straight line. But a tablesaw that is good enough to do a good job isn't cheap.

Can I learn enough by watching youtube videos or would it be dangerous to try to learn by using power tools?

Don't put any body parts you wish to keep near the spinning parts of the tools. Things that can cut wood can easily cut people. And as mentioned above, the main issue is going to be cutting straight lines. The rest is pretty simple.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
4. good point about the table saw.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:01 PM
Mar 2012

If you have the space, maybe look into renting a table saw for a weekend. Circular saws can be a bit unwieldy for visible finish work.

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
6. However, it can be rented.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:42 PM
Mar 2012

I built furniture in a Boston apartment without any outdoor space but I used mostly hand tools after I'd gotten the lumberyard to cut things roughly the right size, including a round tabletop. I used a cinderblock on top of foam rubber for any hammering that needed to be done, otherwise my only two power tools were a saber saw and drill. The neighbors never knew what I was up to in there.

I got a lot of compliments on that furniture, too.

yardwork

(64,357 posts)
9. This is very helpful advice. Yes, I had in mind wainscoting.
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 10:08 AM
Mar 2012

The bathroom is rectangular, but it is tiny, and it's going to be difficult to maneuver around the sink and toilet. It's a half-bath under the stairs.

It sounds like this project might be a little difficult for a beginner. I think that I will paint the bathroom and see how that turns out, deferring wainscoting for the experts. I do love the way it looks, though....

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
11. If it's tiny, I don't recommend beadboard
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 11:25 AM
Mar 2012

It will make the room look even smaller. Patterns on the walls generally make small rooms appear smaller and big rooms appear bigger.

If it's the wainscoting look you are after, you can get somewhat similar effects by putting up a chair rail and using two different paint colors above and below the chair rail. That would not shrink the room as much as beadboard. You can also use paint on one side of the chair rail and wallpaper on the other.

If you want some more basic finish carpentry practice, baseboard and crown molding are pretty easy and forgiving.

yardwork

(64,357 posts)
12. This is great! Could I get the chair rail molding pre-cut at the hardware store?
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 04:38 PM
Mar 2012

I love the look of beadboard wainscoting, but I was a little worried about taking up even more space in the tiny bathroom. On the other hand, the walls have imperfections. The wainscoting would cover unevenness.

The current paint color in there is dark and old. If I repaint with a lighter color, I know that will help create a smoother look.

Another idea would be to wallpaper the whole thing, including the sloping ceiling. I would hire somebody to do that. I've hung wallpaper before. Never again.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
14. Not if you want it to fit.
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 06:34 PM
Mar 2012

You're going to have to cut it yourself. It's very easy to do with a hand saw and miter box.

yardwork

(64,357 posts)
15. Doh! I never heard of a mitre box. Just googled it. How have I lived without this?!
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:22 AM
Mar 2012

I really don't know anything about tools, but I want to learn. I'm female and single. My father didn't do much in the way of home repairs. I wanted to take shop in middle school but girls had to take home economics. (I learned to use a sewing machine, which has been very handy.)

I would like to learn how to do basic home repairs and renovations. Where does a person begin? Again, I live in a condo and have no garage or space for a workshop.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
17. You learn by doing.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 12:11 PM
Mar 2012

When you learned to use that sewing machine, someone didn't just throw a book at you and walk away. You were given projects to do.

Same with home improvement and woodworking. You just start doing. Be prepared for things to turn out very bad, but try to make them turn out very good. You'll slowly collect a series of tips and tricks that will make it easier.

"I wanna do home improvements, what do I do?" isn't going to get a good answer, because it isn't specific enough. "How do I make the corner come out right on this chair rail?" is going to get good answers.

 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
5. Dude, seriously, if you have no experience with power tools, hire sombody that does.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 10:21 PM
Mar 2012

I've spent most of my 61 years in the building trades. There is a reason they pay us so well. Just sayin.
While I appreciate that you want to do it yourself and want to learn, you can not duplicate a lifetime of experience and tricks of the trade by reading a magazine article. Trust me, in the course of my life I have learned how to do most of the building trade arts but I have also learned that there are times to hire a proffesional. As an example. I can sheetrock a room to perfection. I know how to do it and I know the codes. A professional can sheetrock the same room in about one tenth of the time with no mistakes and without busting a sweat.

There are times when, no matter how good you think you are, it's just better to hire a pro.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,858 posts)
24. You got that right.
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 11:38 AM
Apr 2012

In approximately the same amount of time, I have finally learned that there are some things I'm better off hiring somebody else to do. I will do some simple projects like painting, but I won't touch drywall, plumbing, electrical wiring, or anything requiring the use of a power tool more complicated than a cordless drill. I'd rather not have to hire somebody to come in and fix something I messed up.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
7. "...I'm interested in doing more home improvement jobs myself."
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 11:56 PM
Mar 2012

Whatever you decide on this particular project, remember to consider building code/permit issues before you start any future projects.

Unless you're moving electrical boxes or changing plumbing when you put up the beadboard, I very seriously doubt there are any code issues with this project.

However...you would be surprised at the number of home improvement projects that require permits, and there are often building construction codes which must be followed if you want your insurance to cover any damages that might occur as a result of (not to mention for your own safety, and that of others).

Don't forget to check with your homeowners association (if you have one) for any restrictions on exterior projects.

I'm really not trying to be a wet blanket here, and I seriously doubt you'll be doing anything on your beadboard project that requires a permit, or any concern with any code regulations. All I'm saying is that you should check your town's government website to find out when a permit is required, and what the state, county, and city building codes are (if any) for whatever project you're thinking about.

I don't know what state you're in, and the regulations vary widely across states and individual counties and communities.

I live in California, and we are heavily regulated on building issues.

Good Luck!

yardwork

(64,357 posts)
13. This is very helpful advice, not just for me, but for other members of my HOA who may be considering
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 04:40 PM
Mar 2012

making improvements. In fact, I'm going to remind some neighbors of this right away. Thanks.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
8. I'm remodeling my kitchen and have been reading a lot of home improvement
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 09:46 AM
Mar 2012

sites. They say a little beadboard goes a long way. I think I read that on Houzz. It's a fun site anyway. I'd search for advice for how much beadboard to install. Here is the link for first search for you. http://www.houzz.com/Beadboard

Good Luck! I've remodeled a lot. I hire when I think it is more efficient. I like to do the demolition, myself.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
18. I watch the people I hire and I sometimes help if they are friends
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 10:23 AM
Mar 2012

Oh, and I read directions.

I took classes in art school and learned some power tools there, but I don't use them often. I do more the general contracting and I have crews of folks that I use over the years.

When I am doing a job I usually get three bids and I ask people to explain to me what they are going to do and how. I learn a lot that way as well. It also tells me about how good that person is going to be.

pm me if you have any more questions.
Best of Luck!
Melissa

Phentex

(16,504 posts)
19. a tip I did not see...
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:10 PM
Mar 2012

First, I love it in a bathroom, small or not.

I have it in my kitchen. My only advice is prime the hell out of it. Plain stuff soaks up a ton of paint and getting in to the grooves means drippy marks if you aren't careful. If I had to do it again, I'd prime before installing it.

Good luck!

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