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Stinky The Clown

(68,461 posts)
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:02 AM Jul 2013

Need some tips on moisture and shade tolerant ground covers

I have a low area on our property, which is bisected by a stream. The stream bed is about 30" below grade and shaded. The ground is poorly drained for a distance of maybe 30 feet on one side of the stream and 10 feet on the other. Right now the 30 foot piece is planted with a sorry excuse for a lawn. The rest of our lawn area is in excellent form, but down there the grass is thin and clearly not happy. I can't mow it too often because the tractor sinks into the turf leaving deep ruts and compacting the soil. I have a small hand mower that I use, but even at that, it compacts the soil. When things finally dry out, this area is like concrete, but at least the grass recovers a bit.

Is there a ground cover I can plant that will tolerate having its roots wet at times and dry at other times and is shade tolerant? I really just want to cover the dirt. Mulch would work, but I want something growing if I can get it. I have a bridge over the stream to allow the tractor to cross and will probably lay a gravel or stone path to allow the tractor to transit the wet area without causing mud ruts as I now have. The tractor weighs maybe 1500 to 2000 lbs depending on what's on it, so that's a lot to ask of a mud rut!

I am in central Maryland.

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Need some tips on moisture and shade tolerant ground covers (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 OP
Creeping Charlie works everywhere, though it's invasive The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #1
Are they fast growing? How do you propagate? Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #3
I planted my Moneywort from small plants I got at a garden center The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #6
I have that.... I didn't know what it was called. femmocrat Jul 2013 #8
Vinca? Penny Royal? Mazus? NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #2
Can creeping charlie be controlled by mowing. Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #4
not very well, because it is a low creeper and spreads by runners that probably NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #5
Periwinkle. femmocrat Jul 2013 #7
I like that periwinkle libodem Jul 2013 #10
You're right, it does look like vinca. femmocrat Jul 2013 #19
Does it have to be a ground cover? Cracklin Charlie Jul 2013 #9
This stuff seems to grow libodem Jul 2013 #11
That's lamium, and it will grow just about anywhere. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2013 #13
The hostas like the shade libodem Jul 2013 #12
Hostas will play a part in the reclamation of the area! Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #14
if you put hosta in a wet area mopinko Jul 2013 #17
The nursery lady suggested the hostas as but one option. Since I can get a bunch for free . . . . Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #18
I spent a little time at a small local nursery. Talk about thinking outside the box . . . . . !! Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #15
Free weeping willow, lucky you! beac Jul 2013 #16
My suggestion is native ground covers...here BlueToTheBone Jul 2013 #20

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,899 posts)
1. Creeping Charlie works everywhere, though it's invasive
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:05 AM
Jul 2013

and tends to creep into places you don't want it. Moneywort, which is a nice bright chartreuse, is also a good ground cover - I have some in a shady spot in my yard and it seems to be doing well.

Stinky The Clown

(68,461 posts)
3. Are they fast growing? How do you propagate?
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jul 2013

Will they cover in, say, a season? Is it planted as small plugs, potted plants, cuttings? Seeds?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,899 posts)
6. I planted my Moneywort from small plants I got at a garden center
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:18 AM
Jul 2013

but they will also grow from seeds. They send out tendrils form a low, flat mat; they grow quickly and like damp areas. It could be invasive but it is easy to uproot from places you don't want it. It's also called Creeping jenny.

http://www.finegardening.com/plantguide/lysimachia-nummularia-aurea-golden-creeping-jenny.aspx

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
8. I have that.... I didn't know what it was called.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jul 2013

It will grow anywhere even in full sun, especially around trees and shrubs. It can be invasive too.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,504 posts)
2. Vinca? Penny Royal? Mazus?
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:07 AM
Jul 2013

Creeping Charlie is literally taking over our property - beware (it and Japanese Stilt Grass do battle on at least half of our acre and always tries to move from our woods into our yard)

Stinky The Clown

(68,461 posts)
4. Can creeping charlie be controlled by mowing.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:11 AM
Jul 2013

We have vinca right in front of our house. It is also in shade, but less shady than my trouble spot. It does well but has allowed wild strawberries to mix in quite heavily. I might consider trying some cuttings down there and see what happens.

Pennyroyal is supposed to be toxic. I would worry about my dogs eating it.

Mazus may need more sun than my spot affords.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,504 posts)
5. not very well, because it is a low creeper and spreads by runners that probably
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:13 AM
Jul 2013

would escape mowing. We try to hand pull the stuff that makes it into our back yard lawn, and are not all that successful. It draws lots of bees (a plus), and smells quite interesting when stepped on - hard to describe.

Creeping Jenny (not sure if it is considered a ground cover) is really nice looking - that's another option.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
7. Periwinkle.
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:39 AM
Jul 2013

I have it growing on a bank that is in the shade. It gets pretty blue flowers in the spring. It isn't a real fast grower though.




I wouldn't plant creeping charlie because it is so invasive. I pull it out by the wheelbarrow full.

I thought of another one.... violets! They grow wild here (PA) and spread like crazy, sun or shade.



You wouldn't need to mow either violets or periwinkle, but it would take time for them to completely cover an area that large.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
10. I like that periwinkle
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:59 AM
Jul 2013

I think I've been calling my plant that looks like that vinca?
I believe I've been wrong. Hmmm?

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
19. You're right, it does look like vinca.
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 09:02 PM
Jul 2013

They sell vinca here as an annual. It comes mostly in shades of pink and purple. Periwinkle is a perennial. They could be in the same family though!

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
9. Does it have to be a ground cover?
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jul 2013

The spot you're describing sounds perfect for hosta.

My hosta bed is very shady, has soil like concrete, and tends to be fairly dry. Now long established, the size and number of plants discourage much weed germination. The number of varieties is endless, and the clumping nature looks neat and tidy pretty much all the time. I make a couple of passes every summer to pull weeds, and sometimes remove spent flower heads. The plants quickly multiply, and you could cover a large area, using sports from a few plants, in a fairly short time. I have given away hundreds of hosta over the years. I think I saw a seller on ebay earlier in the season selling 100 hosta sports for 9.99. You could have a very impressive display on both sides of the stream. Mix in a few ferns, ornamental grasses (Japanese forest grass, my fave), and you're set.

Disclosure: I tend to not like creeping groundcovers, due to their ground level habit (hard to see), and their creeping nature means they tend to creep into places that they're not wanted.

If you want to go really crazy, turn the area into a fairy garden (my latest gardening obsession).

Okay, I'll shut up now, and go out and work in the yard. Thanks for the inspiration!

mopinko

(71,823 posts)
17. if you put hosta in a wet area
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 11:35 AM
Jul 2013

it is a glaring, glowing neon invitation to snails. (i confess i hate the stuff with a passion.)

look into rain garden plants for the wet side. siberian iris, ferns, hibiscus.

Stinky The Clown

(68,461 posts)
18. The nursery lady suggested the hostas as but one option. Since I can get a bunch for free . . . .
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 11:42 AM
Jul 2013

. . . . it seems a reasonable consideration. That said, until the tree dries the area out (in a year or so), it stays as it is now. I may stop mowing that area and let it go to weeds, which tend to fill in and be hardy based on actual conditions. Green, healthy weeds, in that area, may well be preferable to a weak, thin, muddy lawn on sodden turf compacted by a tractor.

My landscape jury is still out.

Stinky The Clown

(68,461 posts)
15. I spent a little time at a small local nursery. Talk about thinking outside the box . . . . . !!
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 02:59 PM
Jul 2013

She suggested the first thing we do is dry out the soil in a natural way with a weeping willow tree. Then she gave me a tree!! No charge!

It seems she had this tree that was damaged and was ready to toss. She gave it to me since, give the location, looks would be a non issue. The tree will absolutely recover, but the whole top/leader will need to regrow, so there will be a few years before it looks right. Meanwhile, true to the trait of a willow, it will start draining/drying the soil by gallons per day. This particular tree will only contribute dappled shade, not a dense cover. Next year, after the soil is more dry, we'll plant hostas as a ground cover. They resemble the local skunk cabbage that grows along streams so it will have a more natural/indigenous look about it.

We have several friends and neighbors who have offered us hosta sports in the past. I'll take them up on it next year.

This isn't a quick fix, but it sounds like a good plan, given the area.

Thanks everyone, for your suggestions!

beac

(9,992 posts)
16. Free weeping willow, lucky you!
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 06:32 AM
Jul 2013

I love weeping willows. My grandparents had one at their house and it always seemed like a magic tree to me as a child. Never knew they were such thirsty things.

Sounds like your ugly duckling corner is on the way to being a real garden swan.

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
20. My suggestion is native ground covers...here
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:33 PM
Jul 2013

are a few links and choices. When we introduce non-native invasive plants, we push out what grows there naturally.
http://nativeplantwildlifegarden.com/plant-this-not-that-native-groundcover-edition/

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/wildlife/Habitat/WildAcres/wagroundcovers.asp

I think that we should plant things that will feed birds and wildlife. Enjoy. Planting natives will also keep the deer at bay.

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