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NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 10:54 AM Feb 2018

Elderberry Experiment: Update #5

Last edited Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:57 AM - Edit history (1)

Implementing plans for this year's expansion.

I bought 10-cuttings of a new variety know as Bob Gordon which are supposed to be very productive, have inverted berries (reducing bird predation) and a high Brix content for making wine.

http://www.rosaliewilson.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ElderberryGuideComplete.pdf (pg 8)

Bob Gordon
The new cultivar Bob Gordon had a larger berry and yielded nearly triple that of Adams No. 2. Clusters hang upside down, which protects berries somewhat from birds. The Bob Gordon was the number one producer in trials and researchers are confident Bob Gordon is a truly superior cultivar for the Midwest. This cultivar is sought out by winemakers for its higher brix (River Hills Harvest, 2015). Drought tolerant, developed at University of Missouri Extension (Robinson, 2013).


In addition, I found and collected cuttings from a wild plant in Niagara County, NY that I am calling Niagara Wild. The intriguing thing about this particular plant is that I found it growing in and successfully competing with a field full of phragmites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phragmites



My understanding is that Elderberries normally do poorly when there are robust competitors nearby, so I am looking forward to see how this one produces and if there is something special in regards to overcoming competition. Plus the cuttings were free, which is always a bonus.

Niagara Wild Cuttings (November 2017) are making decent progress:



New cuttings just potted last night:


On top of the approximate 25-cuttings/plants I am starting above, I ordered 50 bare-root elderberries (no specific variety) from my county Soil and Water Conservation Department.

So, all in all my work is cut out for me and it will be a busy spring (at a minimum)!

Links to previous updates:
Elderberry Experiment: In the beginning: https://www.democraticunderground.com/11597228
Elderberry Experiment: Update #1: https://www.democraticunderground.com/11597235
Elderberry Experiment: Update #2: https://www.democraticunderground.com/11597246
Elderberry Experiment: Update #3: https://www.democraticunderground.com/11597391
Elderberry Experiment: Update #4: https://www.democraticunderground.com/11597481
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Elderberry Experiment: Update #5 (Original Post) NeoGreen Feb 2018 OP
Thank you for all your updates Ohiogal Feb 2018 #1
I had wild elderberries growing in our pasture but the sheep ate it all Farmer-Rick Feb 2018 #2
they just grow wild where i live in the mtns.. the deer like the berries... samnsara Feb 2018 #3
Here's to a fabulous growing season in your garden WhiteTara Feb 2018 #4
Kill the phragmites .... it is a nasty invasive Botany Feb 2018 #5
I would if... NeoGreen Feb 2018 #6
Wish I could grow Elderberries TuxedoKat Feb 2018 #7
I am very new to this... NeoGreen Feb 2018 #8
Yes TuxedoKat Feb 2018 #9
You've inspired me. WhiteTara Feb 2018 #10
Cool... NeoGreen Feb 2018 #11
Okay. I will. WhiteTara Feb 2018 #12

Ohiogal

(34,631 posts)
1. Thank you for all your updates
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 11:06 AM
Feb 2018

I find your posts very interesting!

We have a few elderberry bushes out back and in the swamp, too. Just enough for a few batches of jelly every year.

Farmer-Rick

(11,401 posts)
2. I had wild elderberries growing in our pasture but the sheep ate it all
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 11:08 AM
Feb 2018

I thought they would eat some of it. I was going to fence off what was left behind. But they ate it all to the ground. They are not heavey browse eaters like goats, so I thought they would only trim it down.They are not going into that field this year. I hope some of it comes back.

samnsara

(18,282 posts)
3. they just grow wild where i live in the mtns.. the deer like the berries...
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 11:09 AM
Feb 2018

..im not a fan.

PS if you make jam with them dont use pectin!

WhiteTara

(30,159 posts)
4. Here's to a fabulous growing season in your garden
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 11:14 AM
Feb 2018

I've got my work cut out too...I'll be digging about 50 holes for trees and shrubs, plus I'll be moving some too, to place plants in the places they need to be, rather than where I wanted them to be.

TuxedoKat

(3,821 posts)
7. Wish I could grow Elderberries
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:04 AM
Feb 2018

Have planted several over the years but never much luck with them. This year will try planting a few in the sunniest areas I can find in my yard. Do you do any interest in grafting? FYI there is a FB group for grafting: North American Scion Exchange.

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
8. I am very new to this...
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:56 AM
Feb 2018

...but based on what I have read and experienced so far, elderberries are fairly easy to grow.

Do you know what kind of soil you have? I spent a modest effort to convert my mostly clay and high pH soil to a low pH loam (mixed/added a peat/potting/organic-rich soil, wood mulch and the native soil on a 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 ratio) and was somewhat militant about watering in the first 3-months (driest part of the year around here).

However, I think the fact that I started with established 2-year old (18-inch high) plants in pots was the biggest contributor to my success.

As far as grafting goes, I'm not sure it is worth it in regards to elderberries, since they are so easy to propagate via cuttings.

See: https://gardening.stackexchange.com/questions/14194/can-i-graft-elderberries-sambucus

Because of the large pith cavity in elderberry stems, grafting is tricky and good grafts are rare. It's better to grow them from cuttings. Spliced side grafting onto one-year-old seedlings may be successful.

The best type of cuttings will be hardwood cuttings taken with a heel. This will help prevent rot from taking over the large vacancy where the pith is, and ruining the cuttings.


I will see how I do this year with the cuttings I currently have in 4-inch peat pots, and make reports/updates here. Maybe my success will be short lived and I'll be in the same boat.

However, if you really like elderberries, I would suggest you try again, in my limited experience they are "easy". Maybe find an existing plant and get a few cuttings. I found the following to be a good guide:
https://www.mommypotamus.com/growing-elderberry/

TuxedoKat

(3,821 posts)
9. Yes
Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:17 PM
Feb 2018

I've heard they are easy to grow and I see them growing wild all over. I buy the best plants but probably haven't taken care of them as well as I could have, i.e., not enough sun, too dry, etc. Will try again this year with new plants in the sunniest areas, with good soil, fertilizer, etc.

As far as grafting, I just mentioned that in case you were interested in other fruit trees, etc.

WhiteTara

(30,159 posts)
10. You've inspired me.
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:40 PM
Feb 2018

I'm going to make cuttings and starts of my elderberries. I'd just been digging up the strays, but this is great.

I want to start selling some things like this. I have 5 apothecary roses going...one for me and the rest for sale.

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
11. Cool...
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 08:39 AM
Feb 2018

...and good luck.

I haven't really researched it yet, but there seems to be a market for elderberry flowers too, not just berries/juice.

Take pictures of your progress and post here, I'd love to seem them.

NG

WhiteTara

(30,159 posts)
12. Okay. I will.
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 10:27 AM
Feb 2018

I think that this year will be my picture taking in the garden. So much of it is now established and I'm making some big changes...we have to take down some big trees that are dying and rather than let them rot we're going to use the lumber in them and it will really change the way the landscape looks.

The elderberry flowers are gorgeous, aren't they. That was what attracted me to the bush.
Happy growing season!

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