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Marigold

(84 posts)
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 10:39 AM Friday

My 6 Year old granddaughter asked why witches wear pointy hats

A little too dark to explain to a child, but we can see nothing changes in over 500 years.

So if you traveled back in time to the Middle Ages or the Renaissance and went to a market in England, you’d probably see an oddly familiar sight: women wearing tall, pointy hats. In many instances, they’d be standing in front of big cauldrons. But these women were no witches; they were brewers. They wore the tall, pointy hats so that their customers could see them in the crowded marketplace. They transported their brew in cauldrons. And those who sold their beer out of stores had cats not as demon familiars, but to keep mice away from the grain. Some argue that iconography we associate with witches, from the pointy hat to the cauldron, originated from women working as master brewers.

Just as women were establishing their foothold in the beer markets of England, Ireland and the rest of Europe, the Reformation began. The religious movement, which originated in the early 16th century, preached stricter gender norms and condemned witchcraft.
Male brewers saw an opportunity. To reduce their competition in the beer trade, some accused female brewers of being witches and using their cauldrons to brew up magic potions instead of booze.

Unfortunately, the rumors took hold. Over time, it became more dangerous for women to practice brewing and sell beer because they could be misidentified as witches. At the time, being accused of witchcraft wasn’t just a social faux pas; it could result in prosecution or a death sentence. Women accused of witchcraft were often ostracized in their communities, imprisoned or even killed.

Some men didn’t really believe that the women brewers were witches. However, many did believe that women shouldn’t be spending their time making beer. The process took time and dedication: hours to prepare the ale, sweep the floors clean and lift heavy bundles of rye and grain. If women couldn’t brew ale, they would have significantly more time at home to raise their children. In the 1500s some towns, such as Chester, England, actually made it illegal for most women to sell beer, worried that young alewives would grow up into old spinsters.

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My 6 Year old granddaughter asked why witches wear pointy hats (Original Post) Marigold Friday OP
Better to fly on the broomstick................. Lovie777 Friday #1
Wow ... rog Friday #2
do you have a link to the full story rurallib Friday #3
I found this from VICE progressoid Friday #9
Yes, that is the original article Marigold Friday #13
Thanks - that will put me in the spirit of the season rurallib Friday #15
One of my fave YT channels is Tasting History TlalocW Friday #22
Thanks! rurallib Friday #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Arne Friday #4
Makes me wonder about the Wizard's hat. Arne Friday #5
Very cool! Thank you! Scrivener7 Friday #6
Now that is an interesting bit of history. Thank you. NNadir Friday #7
They were the original 'Childless Cat Ladies'!! 70sEraVet Friday #8
Leave it to the men to start a brewhaha. BattleRow Friday #23
Another example of men trying to control women so they could have the benefit of the business. Tadpole Raisin Friday #10
I always learn so much here! displacedvermoter Friday #11
Here's To the Witches! Deep State Witch Friday #12
Good for what ales ya! BattleRow Friday #21
I'd tell her Otterdaemmerung Friday #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Friday #17
thats not the difference between ales and lagers.... getagrip_already Friday #33
And here I thought they were early KKKlansmen KS Toronado Friday #18
And all this time... rubbersole Friday #19
Searching with Google scholar I found this interesting history of women brewing beer around Oxford, England mahina Friday #20
Great article, Rec'd. Thanks! n/t SpankMe Friday #25
Easy peas. Add your seach term and scholar.google.com mahina Friday #31
That is so interesting. LoisB Friday #24
I had read a story - probably aprocryphal TlalocW Friday #26
I've seen some good memes lately on witches - TBF Friday #27
Im sure that us correct. Figarosmom Friday #32
"She turned me into a newt!" Marcuse Friday #28
Interesting. Thank you. Been to Chester and did not here about that surfered Friday #29
Thsnks for the history Figarosmom Friday #30
My story and I'm sticking to it Dear_Prudence Friday #34
Jesus, the misogyny is so wearying. Joinfortmill Saturday #35

rog

(729 posts)
2. Wow ...
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 10:45 AM
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... that is an astounding bit of history. Thanks so much for posting this.

And yeah, nothing has changed.

Jeez.

Marigold

(84 posts)
13. Yes, that is the original article
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 11:40 AM
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There are also theories that are connected to anti Quaker and anti semitism. I also read that women brewers would put a broomstick on their entrance door to indicate they were open for business.

TlalocW

(15,586 posts)
22. One of my fave YT channels is Tasting History
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 12:47 PM
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The guy finds an old recipe, recreates it, and taste-tests it while giving a history lesson about the dish/time period. I recently watched one about a stew that dealt with the differences between inns, taverns, and alehouses, and he mentioned that it was often women running alehouses, which were just out of their own homes, and he talked about their hanging up a long stick over their doors to show they were open. He didn't tie it to witches though.

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Tadpole Raisin

(1,379 posts)
10. Another example of men trying to control women so they could have the benefit of the business.
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 11:09 AM
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History rhymes.

But beyond that, I really enjoyed that information!! Thank you!

Otterdaemmerung

(98 posts)
16. I'd tell her
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 11:59 AM
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that the reason a witch's hat is pointy is the same reason an umbrella is pointy: it helps shed the rain when they're flying on their brooms.

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getagrip_already

(17,010 posts)
33. thats not the difference between ales and lagers....
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 01:30 PM
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It's the yeast and fermentation temps, not the hops.

The main difference between ale and lager lies in the type of yeast used during fermentation. Ales are made with top-fermenting yeasts that work at warmer temperatures, while lagers are made with bottom-fermenting yeasts that require colder temperatures for fermentation.


But they didn't know what yeast was. It was all natural yeast fermentation.

rubbersole

(8,221 posts)
19. And all this time...
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 12:19 PM
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...I thought St Pauli Girl was a happy beer server. A republican image scrubber no doubt. 😏 🍻

mahina

(18,770 posts)
31. Easy peas. Add your seach term and scholar.google.com
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 01:17 PM
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To find peer revieed hourbal articles on any topic. It is not comprehensive, but it is better than reading any random opinion and/ or hustle.

For medical research use the search term PubMed

Librarian taught me those things. Yay libraries. Yay librarians.

TlalocW

(15,586 posts)
26. I had read a story - probably aprocryphal
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 12:56 PM
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About a man and his son walking home close to dusk when a small animal darted across their paths. They started throwing rocks and sticks at it as they chased it to the home of a woman some suspected of being a witch. The animal entered the house, and they saw it was a black cat. The next day, the woman appeared in the village, bruised and bandaged, confirming she was a witch who had transformed into a cat.

It doesn't take much imagination to see how the woman appearing in town in that state would get the tongues wagging, and if she were an ale wife, a male competitor would see his opportunity to get rid of some competition with a story, and once she was dealt with, the village folk would continue talking about her and how they always thought there was something strange about her.

TBF

(33,682 posts)
27. I've seen some good memes lately on witches -
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 01:00 PM
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that they didn't really burn "witches", they burned women.

I think your history definitely accentuates that as well - women were getting uppity (in this case having the audacity to practice brewing & sell beer) - so men felt like it was time to put them in their place. History repeats itself ....

Figarosmom

(1,719 posts)
32. Im sure that us correct.
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 01:18 PM
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Not just women but troublesome women. I'm sure many were lovers that became inconvenient or women other women didn't like ir whatever. Labeled a witch just to be rid of.

Figarosmom

(1,719 posts)
30. Thsnks for the history
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 01:14 PM
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It's unfortunate the lies seem to stick in society instead of truth. I would have thought that as much as people liked the brew they would have protected the brewers I stead of vilifying

Dear_Prudence

(744 posts)
34. My story and I'm sticking to it
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 04:49 PM
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In my childhood doll collection, I have a doll in national Welsh costume. She wears a tall black hat, not pointed but very tall. When my daughter was young, she got scared of witches. I showed her the doll, told her that her great granny was Welsh, (true), and that stupid people who don't like the Welsh made up the whole story of witches and told ugly stories about Welsh hats. My daughter was no longer afraid, since that tall black hat is our heritage. So, I have no references and no verification, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it! (Thank you for the factual tale, but I don't think it would have been as effective in soothing my daughter's fear. Good to know tho!)

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