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Bucky

(55,334 posts)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:57 PM Sep 2012

Who would have made an interesting president, but never got the shot?

The first two I think of were Mario Cuomo and Bruce Babbitt. Cuomo was tough, compassionate, FDRish (with a little dash of Adlai), and an amazingly subtle thinker. 1988 was his year and I think he could've womped the hell out of Poppy in the general election. So much would've been different (including, possibly, no Speaker New Gingrich!).

Babbitt was kind of an odd duck. He talked like Jimmy Stewart and had no physical control over the erratic gyrations of his own eyebrows when he was talking. But he was a truly committed, passionate environmentalist of the sort that Teddy Roosevelt could only pretend to be. Whenever I heard him speak, I heard a man with a deep connection to the land and legacy--environmental and political, too--we leave to the next generation. In that sense, I tend to think we'd have a much smaller debt problem today if America had had him at the helm for 8 years.

Who else might've blown our minds via the White House?

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Who would have made an interesting president, but never got the shot? (Original Post) Bucky Sep 2012 OP
I'm going with Eugene Debs arcane1 Sep 2012 #1
Debs would have been interesting Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2012 #5
me too bodem1955_om Oct 2012 #15
First I thought of as well. cdogzilla Jun 2015 #22
Noam Chomsky. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #2
God, no Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2012 #6
About as good or well as anyone else. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #8
Chomsky's tone is "my way or nothing" Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2012 #9
That may be what you hear, but that is not what I hear. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #10
Do you seriously see Chomsky compromising on anything? Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2012 #11
Chomsky has said that compromises are necessary. ZombieHorde Aug 2015 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #27
Mike Mansfield Ptah Sep 2012 #3
Gary Hart... jaysunb Sep 2012 #4
Eugene McCarthy, John Anderson, to name a couple. bemildred Sep 2012 #7
+1 for both of them no_hypocrisy Jan 2017 #46
Martin Luther King, Jr. charlie and algernon Sep 2012 #12
That's the first name that came to my mind, too! DavidL Oct 2012 #13
Before he was shot, there was significant support for the idea Ken Burch Dec 2016 #45
Yes. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #36
Mo Udall was my first serious political hero...he ran in 1976 and finished second to Rowdyboy Oct 2012 #14
Another good choice. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #37
William Jennings Bryan jonpaulprime Oct 2012 #16
Nelson Rockefeller left-of-center2012 Oct 2012 #17
What should have been danbenbow Oct 2012 #18
I HAVE TO SAY ROBERT KENNEDY .. JUST IMAGINE YOHABLO Nov 2012 #19
Ross Perot,just saying. SCALA13 Nov 2012 #20
At the top of my list of Morris Udall. I don't know whether he would have won the GE if he had StevieM May 2015 #21
I think 9/11 would have just been another Tuesday. 47of74 Aug 2015 #29
I was never a 9/11 conspiracy theory, but I am rethinking my attitude in light of additional JDPriestly Jun 2016 #38
Bob LaFollette (nt) cdogzilla Jun 2015 #23
Bill Bradley cdogzilla Jun 2015 #24
Henry Wallace Southern Belle Blue Aug 2015 #25
Good one. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #39
I agree. The saddest thing is he came so close, thucythucy Mar 2018 #61
Abraham Lincoln serving out his full second term. thucythucy Mar 2018 #62
Al Gore boatsnhose Aug 2015 #26
Paul Tsongas 47of74 Sep 2015 #30
Paul was in it--but then he ran out of money. He won 7 states. MADem Feb 2017 #47
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #31
Joe Biden paul ofnoclique Nov 2015 #32
Think how different our recent history would have been.... lastlib Jan 2016 #33
A Humphrey-Kennedy ticket (if Bobby hadn't been murdered) would've been stronger Bucky Jan 2016 #34
Interesting Almost President aswanson Feb 2016 #35
Robert Kennedy SheriffBob Jul 2016 #40
I absolutely agree with you on that one, he had so much to offer, and the temperament, too. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2016 #43
Who would have made an interesting president, but never got the shot? RedHornet44 Jul 2016 #41
UGH. Horrible pick. nt MADem Feb 2017 #48
Henry A. Wallace RedHornet44 Jul 2016 #42
Paul Wellstone and maybe... RealityChik Dec 2016 #44
Adlai Stevenson....eom mrmpa Feb 2017 #49
There you go. Basic LA Feb 2017 #56
The word they used in the 1950's was "egghead"...eom mrmpa Feb 2017 #57
Ross Perot ParanoidFactoid Feb 2017 #50
HRC JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #51
Hear, Hear stephensolomita Jun 2017 #58
Mo Udall Binders Keepers Feb 2017 #52
Cuomo my first throught hibbing Feb 2017 #53
Get To Know The Real Cuomo stephensolomita Jun 2017 #59
I meant his father n/t hibbing Jun 2017 #60
Jay Rockefeller. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2017 #54
Henry Wallace gopiscrap Feb 2017 #55
Elliot Richardson Doc_Technical Mar 2019 #63

cdogzilla

(48 posts)
22. First I thought of as well.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jun 2015

Now to check down the list and see if anyone has already mentioned Bob LaFollette, Bill Bradley, Jerry Brown ...

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
6. God, no
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 07:04 AM
Sep 2012

Do you (1) think he would be a good administrator or (b) would be able to get anything through Congress or (iii) have any sort of good foreign relationships?

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
8. About as good or well as anyone else.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:54 PM
Sep 2012

There are other qualities that I consider, such as tone and personal world view.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
11. Do you seriously see Chomsky compromising on anything?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:50 AM
Sep 2012

If you want to get things done politically, you need to be able to. I do not see Chomsky being able to.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
28. Chomsky has said that compromises are necessary.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:06 AM
Aug 2015

So yes, I could seriously see him compromising on some issues.

Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #10)

Ptah

(33,516 posts)
3. Mike Mansfield
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:04 PM
Sep 2012

Michael Joseph Mansfield (March 16, 1903 – October 5, 2001) was an American
politician and diplomat. A member of the Democratic Party, he served as a
U.S. Representative (1943–1953) and a U.S. Senator (1953–1977) from Montana.
He was the longest-serving Senate Majority Leader, serving from 1961 to 1977.
During his tenure, he shepherded Great Society programs through the Senate,
but strongly opposed the Vietnam War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mansfield

no_hypocrisy

(49,032 posts)
46. +1 for both of them
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 03:09 PM
Jan 2017

I voted for Anderson in the republican primaries and later when he was an Independent. It should have been him, not Reagan.

 

DavidL

(384 posts)
13. That's the first name that came to my mind, too!
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 01:53 PM
Oct 2012

He was well ahead of a time when he could have carried 270 electoral votes, I fear. I was around as a voting adult in 1968. I lived in the Boston area, where schools were still largely segregated by areas of the city. I can only imagine what it was like in the deep South.

People actually talked about him getting into politics, my liberal relatives, at least. But, of course, it was too early for him, and he tragically was shot before a majority of American voters were ready for his wonderful message of unity.

My two cents on the issue.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
45. Before he was shot, there was significant support for the idea
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 07:06 PM
Dec 2016

of Dr. King being nominated by the Peace and Freedom Party, with Benjamin Spock(their eventual nominee)as his running mate.

If LBJ had still insisted on making the Dems nominate Humphrey and adopt a "keep the war going" plank on Vietnam, a King-Spock ticket would have stood a real chance(and, I would argue, have been assured of victory if LBJ had been re-nominated, which was apparently still a possibility during the Chicago convention).

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
36. Yes.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:27 AM
Jun 2016

He had the strength of character. In addition, he inspired people when he spoke.

He is the missing president of the 20th century.

He was well educated too. His mastery of the English language and speech were exquisite, just beautiful.

Definitely the missed president.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
14. Mo Udall was my first serious political hero...he ran in 1976 and finished second to
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 11:29 PM
Oct 2012

Jimmy Carter most everywhere by about 1%. Such is the cruelty of history. He was a class act, a western (Arizona) congressman, a liberal Mormon and brother of JFK's Secretary of the Interior Stewart Udall. His son Mark is a current senator from Colorado and his nephew Tom is a senator from New Mexico.

He was a Democrat way back when that really meant something. And he's probably one of the greatest presidents America never had, at least in my opinion...

Here's to you, Mo, and what might have been.....

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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
17. Nelson Rockefeller
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:22 AM
Oct 2012

Governor of New York and Vice President under Gerald Ford.

"Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller (July 8, 1908 – January 26, 1979) was an American businessman, philanthropist, public servant, and politician. He served as the 41st Vice President of the United States (1974–1977), serving under President Gerald Ford, and as the 49th Governor of New York (1959–1973). He also served in the administrations of Presidents Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower in a variety of positions. A member of the Rockefeller family, he was also a noted art collector."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller

StevieM

(10,541 posts)
21. At the top of my list of Morris Udall. I don't know whether he would have won the GE if he had
Wed May 27, 2015, 06:19 PM
May 2015

gotten the Democratic nomination in 1976. By the time Election Day rolled around, Carter's margin had crumbled and he had to rely on a coalition of liberal and conservative, southern states--a coalition only available to him. Ford might very well had pulled off the long-coveted Truman-style shocking upset.

But I think Udall was the president we needed back then and would have done a good job.

I also liked Gary Hart and Mario Cuomo a lot and would have been interested in seeing either one of them elected to the White House in 1988.

It's very interesting to think of what would have happened if Al Gore was in the White House after 9/11.

All the examples I gave are ones that realistically could have happened with a couple of minor differences in the way that history played out. Gore could have won in 2000--and many would argue that he actually did. Udall could have won the nomination in 1976, and probably would have if not for Carter's shocking emergence. And he could have beaten Ford in the GE. Hart and Cuomo were both electable in 1988 vs. George HW Bush.

On the other hand, William Jennings Bryan and Adlai Stevenson were never realistically going to win their elections.

I think the most interesting what if is Henry Wallace. What if FDR hadn't dumped him from the ticket and he had become president after Roosevelt died?

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
29. I think 9/11 would have just been another Tuesday.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 09:56 PM
Aug 2015

Gore wouldn't have sat on his ass when the reports started to come in about terrorists wanting to use airliners as weapons long beforehand. 9/11 would have just had been another late summer Tuesday.

Even if something had happened on 9/11 with Gore in charge you would not have had the Iraq war, Gore would have gone after the responsible parties and brought them to justice.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
38. I was never a 9/11 conspiracy theory, but I am rethinking my attitude in light of additional
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:30 AM
Jun 2016

information about Saudi Arabia's links to the event.

But I agree that Gore would have handled it far more wisely.

cdogzilla

(48 posts)
24. Bill Bradley
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:05 PM
Jun 2015

Bradley was an incredibly compelling candidate. He was for universal health care, increased gun control, and campaign finance reform ... and the thing I probably would take greatest issue with him on as a lefty would have made him more palatable to centrists and tax-hating crowd. (I'm not a fan of the TRA of '86.)

I guess it says something that his personality didn't outshine Al Gore's But, W. had a good ol' boy personality and look where that got us.

Back in the day, I used to visit this page quite a bit: http://www.kevincmurphy.com/billbradley0.html

 
25. Henry Wallace
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 06:05 PM
Aug 2015

We'd be living in a much more peaceful world if he'd replaced FDR instead of Cold Warrior Truman.

thucythucy

(8,742 posts)
61. I agree. The saddest thing is he came so close,
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 03:07 PM
Mar 2018

but conservatives hated him so much they forced FDR to drop him from the ticket in 1944.

thucythucy

(8,742 posts)
62. Abraham Lincoln serving out his full second term.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 03:13 PM
Mar 2018

I think Lincoln belongs on this list because he never had the chance to serve the remaining three years, eleven months of his second term.

His idea of Reconstruction would have radically changed the south. He's often portrayed as "soft" on Reconstruction, but he was in favor of seizing the holdings of wealthy slave owners, dividing them up among poor whites and freed slaves. "Forty Acres and a mule." What today we'd call land reform. Andrew Johnson's first act as president was to sign an executive order removing jurisdiction of seized land from the Freedman's Bureau.

Lincoln's assassination was a racist act. Booth was an outspoken white supremacist.

Our nation still hasn't recovered from that single incident of racist gun violence.

On edit: meant to post this in reply to the OP. Need. More. Coffee.

boatsnhose

(40 posts)
26. Al Gore
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 11:27 PM
Aug 2015

I am very curious as to how the country would be today if Gore had actually made it to the white house.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
30. Paul Tsongas
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 10:30 AM
Sep 2015

I remember prior to Clinton the name Paul Tsongas seemed to come up the most in the year before the 92 election.

If Clinton hadn't pulled off his comeback I wonder if Paul Tsongas would have gone on to win the nomination or if it would have gone to Jerry Brown? Would his policies (which were criticized for being closer to Republican policies than Democratic ones) have brought about the same levels of economic activity that Clinton did?

Also Tsongas had non-Hodgkins lymphoma in the mid 90s that he died from in 1997, so I wonder if that would have come in to play during his Presidency and if he would have died in office? Would that have been an issue in a 1996 Tsongas campaign? Would he have run for political office then?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
47. Paul was in it--but then he ran out of money. He won 7 states.
Wed Feb 1, 2017, 10:54 PM
Feb 2017

Clinton cleaned up in the south, though and had more cash.

He (his Senate staff, really--he had excellent constituent services even as a brand new Senator) helped me out in a very specific way after the fall of Iran--I'll always be grateful to him.

His wife Niki is in the House now--she does a good job.

Response to Bucky (Original post)

lastlib

(24,961 posts)
33. Think how different our recent history would have been....
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:15 PM
Jan 2016

...if Hubert Humphrey had beaten Nixon in 1968.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
34. A Humphrey-Kennedy ticket (if Bobby hadn't been murdered) would've been stronger
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jan 2016

Not sure Bobby would've taken the #2 spot. I'm pretty sure Humphrey would have beaten Kennedy for the nomination. Not enough delegates were going to Chicago based on primary votes and the caucuses in the 60s were still very much controlled by party bosses. Speaking of Chicago... that would have been a VERY difference convention without Robert Kennedy's murder. The tone of desperation that that assassination brought on had a huge impact on the zeitgeist.

Rhiannon12866

(223,337 posts)
43. I absolutely agree with you on that one, he had so much to offer, and the temperament, too.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 03:12 AM
Jul 2016

I believe he would have gone down as one of our greatest in history. Such a waste.

Welcome to DU, SheriffBob! It's great to have you with us!

RedHornet44

(2 posts)
41. Who would have made an interesting president, but never got the shot?
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jul 2016

Ralph Nader. He would have kept corporate power in check and would have enacted or supported legislation for businesses at the state and municipal levels and community institutions.

RedHornet44

(2 posts)
42. Henry A. Wallace
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jul 2016

There would have been no cold war. No race riots and prosperity for the working man. He was also a very practical politician.

RealityChik

(382 posts)
44. Paul Wellstone and maybe...
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 09:36 PM
Dec 2016

JFK Jr?

Howard Dean - the OLD Howard Dean, of "the scream" fame, not medical industry lobbyist Howard Dean.

 

Basic LA

(2,047 posts)
56. There you go.
Sun Feb 26, 2017, 02:22 AM
Feb 2017

Adlai had Eleanor Roosevelt's support - good enough for me. But he was considered intellectual, so no dice, not here.

ParanoidFactoid

(17 posts)
50. Ross Perot
Sun Feb 26, 2017, 12:04 AM
Feb 2017

I would have liked Ross Perot. I know it won't be a popular response. But his 'giant sucking sound' argument against NAFTA turned out to be prescient. Also: charts.

 

stephensolomita

(91 posts)
58. Hear, Hear
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:08 PM
Jun 2017

Hillary was the candidate most prepared to be President in all of American History, with extensive experience in two branches of government.
 

stephensolomita

(91 posts)
59. Get To Know The Real Cuomo
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:12 PM
Jun 2017

As a resident of NYS, I can say with some accuracy, that most progressives do not trust Cuomo, what with his tax-free business zones and his vendetta with De Blasio. Without doubt, he's an extremely calculating politician.
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